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Dust Collection system

framestudio

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I'm looking into a dust collection system for my Pistorius EMS.
I'm planning on stocking and cutting more moulding. I'm still going to ordering a fair amount of chops but stocking around 30 moulding for package framing deals. In terms of volume of cutting, lets say 20 frames a week.
I trying to figure out if wall mount 1 hp unit would be sufficient, or just a waste of money. I have room for a larger unit,but it would have to be about 6 feet away from the back of the saw. There seems to be many different hp's available 1, 1 1/2, 2. I imagine the larger the hp the more efficient it is.
Also if any one has pictures of how you attach the hoses to the back of saw would be appreciated.
 

prospero

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When I installed my two chop saws I didn't go as far as a dust extractor. I thought, "How much sawdust would they generate from a narrow little cut?".
I don't cut all that many frames. As it turned out, quite a large amount. After shovelling up a sackfull from the bench and floor and windowsills and practically
everywhere else, I got a couple of old vacuum hoses and put them on the dust outlets. They go along the bench and exit into a big plastic storage box on the floor.
No suction, just relies on the blowing from the saw. It works OK, but maybe not so well if the pipes had to go uphill at some point.
Worth a try before you splash out on a lot of expensive kit.
 

FramerInTraining

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I'm looking into a dust collection system for my Pistorius EMS.
I'm planning on stocking and cutting more moulding. I'm still going to ordering a fair amount of chops but stocking around 30 moulding for package framing deals. In terms of volume of cutting, lets say 20 frames a week.
I trying to figure out if wall mount 1 hp unit would be sufficient, or just a waste of money. I have room for a larger unit,but it would have to be about 6 feet away from the back of the saw. There seems to be many different hp's available 1, 1 1/2, 2. I imagine the larger the hp the more efficient it is.
Also if any one has pictures of how you attach the hoses to the back of saw would be appreciated.
I think I have the older model of this one:

https://www.grizzly.com/products/2H...h-Aluminum-Impeller-Polar-Bear-Series/G0548ZP

it's 220 and 2 hp. Grizzly sells all the fitting and hoses you need. The key is to keep your hoses and transitions as straight as possible. There are two outlets on the back of my EMN12 for dust collection if that helps.
 

Dirk

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In my limited experience I've found that the effectiveness of the dust collector is related to the shrouding on the saw(s) and the particle size. Most annoying is the fine dust, which can be captured with less horsepower. The bigger particles are harder to draw, but they don't stay suspended in the air to travel throughout the shop. Woodworking catalogs offer lots of accessories, but be aware that there seems little standardization to pipe diameter. If you plan to connect other machines, take a look at the blast gates at Penn State Industries. They come equipped with a microswitch. With a transformer and relay, you can build a low voltage control system that turns on the collector when you open a gate. (The relay needs to be rated to handle the current drawn by the motor on the collector.) This saves lots of steps.
 
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MATTHEW HALE

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An inexpensive shopvac and a Dust Deputy from Oneida will do the trick for you.
 

Jeff Rodier

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I use the large double bag set up like the one Larry has but don't have the add-ons he is using. Full bottom bag of sawdust emptied about every other month. It doesn't suck it all up but the moulding and saws are in a cutting room. If I were you I would get the same type of unit and you will never need to upgrade in the future.
 

framestudio

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Matt, nice link for the dust deputy also found this on their site http://www.oneida-air.com/inventory...&CatId={6EE79B16-EB63-43E7-8F30-1E06240A24A4}
Dust free air is a concern. I'm moving to a new location next month and the saw will be in the main work space. I plan on building a barrier wall between the saw and the rest of the workroom but one side will be open. There is a closet behind the saw area that I'm going to try and house the dust collector in. Good to know that the larger systems run on 220amp. I don't take over the space until Feb 1 so no electrical has been done yet. I'll just have another 220 outlet installed to be on the safe side. The shopvac system may be a good place to start with minimum investment because money is tight with all of the other expenses of this move.
 

Bob Doyle

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I have a dust deputy or clone thereof and it is great. But.. It captures all the big stuff and the fine dust clogs the filter in the shop vac really fast.

Get a dust extractor system because within a year you will be wanting to adapt your shop vac setup to one. The dust deputy might be useful in the dust collector setup as it could be the first filter the wood goes through, put it right off the saw.

Dust explodes, be sure the system has a grounding wire in it. Another reason for going right to a dust collector setup, they have grounding built-in.
 

Artistic Framer

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If you buy an impeller driven unit (which most of them are), look into a 2 stage setup. It just involves running your collection hoses through a heavy duty trash can with a "cyclone" hood - the coarser dust AND MITER WASTE end up there instead of going through (and potentially damaging) the impeller.

Here's one: http://www.woodcraft.com/product/143290/trash-can-cyclone-lid.aspx
 
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echavez123

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After many years of breathing dust, using a shop vacuum and wearing various masks, I broke down and got a Grizzly like the one Mo has. What a difference! I dont track the fine dust into the workspace nor the gallery space anymore. This is especially helpful because we are doing some commercial cutting and joining mostly with Framerica MDF type moulding, which is the worst culprit for dust. I decided, if I want to live a little longer, I had better protect my lungs.
 
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