Does the Atlanta Decor Expo have one foot in the grave??????

nom de plume

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I sure hope not but looking over the list of the exhibitors has me a bit worried. Atlanta is in my back yard so I would hate to see this show dry up. And are the VIETNAM VETERANS OF AMERICA
CHAPTER #172 selling prints? I love my country, love the troops, but I'll confess I'm confused. Is decor turning into a bonanza of cheep knock off oils, antique "prints" riped from the pages of books that should be valued and kept intact, and a venue for charity organizations? I just want to see great new products, quality mouldings, and get a little framers ed while I'm at it.

Here is a list of exhibitors, http://www.decor-expo.com/ME2/Audie...9AFE28E444DBB97AB16D9339369&nm=Exhibitor+List
 
I haven't seen the class list and enrollment, that would be the real answer. If the classes are full, then it will continue, just maybe in a different form.

There are a few classes I would attend, one being french matting, but they don't offer classes like that.
 
Hmm so what is your hidden agenda "nom de plume"?

First of all Vietnam Veterans of Amerca post #172 has been selling prints for years. They have been to almost all the trade shows. http://www.vietnamreflections.co

Second cheap knock of oils that you are refering to are nothing new. They have been sold at Decor shows since the beginning of shows. I bought them at ABC shows sponsored by Decor and PPFA trade shows 30 years ago.

Same thing with the "antique "prints" riped from the pages of books"

So it appears that what you are criticizing something you nothing about. And the fact that these vendors are at this show, in no way indicates that Atlanta Show has one foot in the grave.
 
In reply to "Mr. Bean" - funny movie by the way. No agenda other than I want the Show to be a success and over the past 20 years in the biz I've seen our trade shows go from being a place for innovation, great new designs in moulding and finishes, to what we have now, a world bizzare of sweat shop art that we should feel ashamed for buying and selling to our customers as "original" art when there are 10's of thousands of these images that are almost exactly the same. As for the Vets, more power to them, sorry i haven't noticed them at past shows. And Mr. Bean I can't believe you caught me with a name like "nom de plume" are you a detective or something?????
 
I haven't seen the class list and enrollment, that would be the real answer. If the classes are full, then it will continue, just maybe in a different form.

There are a few classes I would attend, one being french matting, but they don't offer classes like that.

Linda Wassell, MCPF, is going to be teaching a class on French matting. She does incredible work and is a great instructor. If you can schedule her class in, do so. She's also doing a class on glass matting you may be interested in, as well as a class on framing textiles.


Here's a link to the full class schedule: http://www.decor-expo.com/Media/MediaManager/DecorATL08_classChart.pdf

I think some show exhibitors such as Larson Juhl, Nielsen Bainbridge, Blakeway, H&K, New York Graphic Society and Old World Prints may take exception to being lumped together as "a world bizzare (sic) of sweat shop art".
 
It does look like the classes are finally being taught by people who have at least been in a frameshop. The last 2 or 3 years majority of those teaching weren't even active in THIS industry.

Nom, I don't understand your problem with the art in question. Don't buy it, or buy it. You can't think it has anything to do with the quality of the show becuase it predates that specific show.
 
Wow Dave, I had no idea. They have never offered if before that I can remember. That is something I will have to watch for next year.

I wish I would have known, I would have made plans to attend. The thursday morning 6 hours away is not doable for me. I would have to drive down on wednesday, and drive back on thursday afternoon. That would mean closing the shop for 2 days in the middle of the week.

Maybe next year they will offer that class on the week-end.

I don't mean to complain, I'm sure it is not that difficult for everyone.
 
"Art by the mile from China" used to be (before you started Nom) "Art by the mile from Taiwan" but it looked better.

In 1988 in Long Beach the "Art" side was so huge that they separated it from the "Framing" side. I remember the flap was that on Saturday "the public" was allowed into the "art" side. All prices were in retail... ok, well "suggested retail".
But the uproar from framers was that nobody was minding the door between art and frame sides.

Atlanta is getting a little over mature.... all of the shows do, so maybe it's time to move the show to Baltimore. Air is cleaner.
 
It’s not just the Expo, an awful lot of trade shows are drying up.

My wife attends several trade shows a year for dog paraphernalia and supplies. Up until last year, most of them were packed. The shows were turning exhibitors away.

Now, the shows are half empty and, it is rumored, that some shows will fade away altogether.

Sign of the times? It’s getting awfully expensive to rent space, to travel, and to ship their booths to places all over the country. Maybe, it has to do with the economy, or, maybe, too many people are shopping on-line. Who really knows?
 
In reply to "Mr. Bean" - funny movie by the way. No agenda other than I want the Show to be a success and over the past 20 years in the biz I've seen our trade shows go from being a place for innovation, great new designs in moulding and finishes, to what we have now, a world bizzare of sweat shop art that we should feel ashamed for buying and selling to our customers as "original" art when there are 10's of thousands of these images that are almost exactly the same. As for the Vets, more power to them, sorry i haven't noticed them at past shows. And Mr. Bean I can't believe you caught me with a name like "nom de plume" are you a detective or something?????

Welcome to the age of technology. I believe that the decline in trade shows across the nation in almost every industry can be directly tied to the increase in technology - namely the internet.

Why would I want to spend the time and money to fly/drive to Atlanta to see the same information and products I can view online? Especially with the increased costs and hassles of travel these days. I can always order samples of the specific items or samples I'd like to see up close and personal.

Most vendors don't make enough money for all the time, effort, and money it takes to maintain a booth. They've only been there for the last few years to keep up with the Jones'. Now that a few major vendors have opted out, I'd expect to see many more follow suit.

I think that the educational opportunities have been the glue holding this trade show together for the last 5 years or so, but it looks like even this may be going towards conference calls, websites, or even web-cam meetings. I recently renewed my CPF over the phone without having to leave my home.

I really don't see any trade shows being the source of innovation or information any longer. With the advancement of technology, It's easier, cheaper, faster, and more effective to use the internet for everyone invloved. I'd be more interested in a "virtual trade show" over visiting Atlanta yet again.
 
These comments are all quite true. However, it would be sad to lose the element of human contact- the putting the faces with names, the Omni Bar and Chinese Dinner experiences, and the energy of being in the same room with the instructor and other students in classes (and learning from one another in social business discussions). Also, when deciding on major equipment purchases, there is no substitute for hands-on demonstrations. We all know how hard it is to judge the quality of something you see online. Obviously the economics of the situation will dictate the future of trade shows, but I for one would hate to see the "de-humanization" of the business world. In today's climate, we need all the support and camaraderie we can get.
:kaffeetrinker_2: Rick
 
Any trade show is only as good as those who attend it. When people don't attend because they feel it isn't going to be a good show, they create a self fulfilled prophecy. From what I am seeing and hearing...there are a lot of people going to this show. Numbers may be down because of the economy, but the serious buyers will be there.

It has been my observation over the past few years that the busiest shows aren't always the most profitable for me. The reason being....when I am so busy that I can't take time to talk to those who have questions....they will take a catalog and order form, and leave out of frustration. They may miss the new product demonstration that they came to see because they can't get close enough hear. These same people may or may not order later. Some of my best shows have been when the attendance is steady and not overly crowded. Everyone loves personalized...one on one attention.
 
I like the fact that DonMar holds open houses and small trade shows up here. Unfortunately, they pretty much always have their fall show during the same time I go on vacation, but their spring show in Portland Maine works nicely for me.
I think this might be the next level of trade shows. Instead of one massive show, there could be smaller regional shows where a few of the moulding companies might sign up and the machine companies can set up a machine to demonstrate. The costs would be considerably lessened.
Either way, I have dropped major trade events from my calendar and have reps visit and go to Don Mar each year.
 
Linda Wassell, MCPF, is going to be teaching a class on French matting. She does incredible work and is a great instructor. If you can schedule her class in, do so.

According to the color coding, this is an advanced class. It's too early in the morning for me to make it, and I am a bare newbie when it comes to French Matting. I'll keep schlepping along for now...
 
According to the color coding, this is an advanced class. It's too early in the morning for me to make it, and I am a bare newbie when it comes to French Matting. I'll keep schlepping along for now...

The fact that it's too early and you won't be able to make it renders the point moot, but just to clarify for anyone else who might be interested and has questions:

The Decor Certificate Education Program is in no way meant to replace, compete with or equate to the Certified Picture Framer designation from the PPFA. It is simply a way to organize classes into categories to allow a framer to easily choose classes at his or her level and to offer a well-rounded selection of classes. You'll notice, for instance, that all advanced classes are scheduled so that none overlap and one could take them all. Upon completion of the classes you'd receive a certificate of completion.

While they are organized into beginner, intermediate and advanced, anyone at any skill level is welcome to register for any class. I know that Linda is a great teacher and very patient, so even a beginner would be able to benefit from her class, and that applies to all instructors.
 
I'll have a limited supply of Grumbler ribbons to give out at booth # 1829, if you don't already have one from a previous show.

They won't be available at the registration desk.

Mike
 
I wish I could get into teaching. I'd love to do a class on manual mat cutting and/or advanced techniques!

Why not? That might be well received, Seth, if a sufficient number of framers would be interested in learning more about the topic, and if you can develop a professional presentation.

Teaching is fun and gratifying, but preparing a good course is a lot of work. The days of "winging it" are gone - teachers must be thoroughly prepared. They must also posess good presentation skills, but being a good entertainer is not enough. Framers who invest their hard-earned time and money attend educational courses these days expect to take home practical, profitable concepts they can use in business.

First, write a description of your course, saying what it will cover and how it would be beneficial or profitable to framers. This may become a brief synopsis from which you build the course outline.

Next, develop a highly-detailed outline of your proposed presentation, explaining point-by-point what you intend to talk about. Then go through your finished outline and determine the line-by-line timing. For example, you might plan to spend 4 minutes talking about line II.D.1.b. of your outline, which could be your recommendation to use a #11 X-Acto blade for hand-cuts instead of a razor blade. At the bottom of your outline, the minute-by-minute timing of the line items should add up to the session time.

I suggest creating at least two versions of the course outline; perhaps one for a 90-minute presentation and another for a 120-minute presentation. Workshops and lecture/workshops may extend to 3 hours.

If there will be a coordinated PowerPoint presentation with photos, text, drawings, etc., you will need to describe each slide and indicate its chronological order with the outline. If you can't compose your own PowerPoint presentation, that up-front expense would be yours.

If there will be hands-on demonstrations, include them in your outline, accounting for the time they will take out of your session. Describe them in detail, including the materials used and necessary classroom provisions, if any. For example, you may need a covered table of certain size at the front of the room, and/or a power cord.

If you want to teach a workshop, describe the materials and techniques the students will practice, and account for the hands-on time in your session.

When you are ready, send your outline to the people who organize framing education for PPFA, PFM, or Decor. If one or more of them are interested in offering your course, they will probably have questions. If your course content overlaps or conflicts with that of another course they offer, you may need to modify your presentation.

If you can find one or more corporate sponsors to provide materials and tools, or to pay your price to teach the course, that would make it more attractive to the organizers. After all, the organizers spend considerable time and money to promote educational courses in their venues. They need to find good, affordable courses attractive to framers.

One more thought: If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
 
Please buy my V-Groove Designs Made Easier book and fund my retirement!


Seth,

I already made a contribution into your happy retirement. As you may remember, I purchased the last copy of that bestseller that you had with you during the Grumblers dinner at the Baltimore Show. Now I can admit that I left the book at that restaurant… Yes, we had a good time there.:beer:

I called the restaurant next day and asked them to send the book to me by mail. The manager promised to do that. Unfortunately, I never got the book back. What should I do!?:shrug:
 
Seth,

I called the restaurant next day and asked them to send the book to me by mail. The manager promised to do that. Unfortunately, I never got the book back. What should I do!?:shrug:

Didn't that manager quit the restaurant and open a frameshop close by? I think I heard that somewhere....
 
I'll bring a couple of copies with me, and if you introduce yourself to me at the Omni Bar on Friday, I'll replace your copy.
Seth,

I already made a contribution into your happy retirement. As you may remember, I purchased the last copy of that bestseller that you had with you during the Grumblers dinner at the Baltimore Show. Now I can admit that I left the book at that restaurant… Yes, we had a good time there.:beer:

I called the restaurant next day and asked them to send the book to me by mail. The manager promised to do that. Unfortunately, I never got the book back. What should I do!?:shrug:
 
Well, I made it back in one piece. I pity anyone who has to drive in Atlanta! Made me and my GPS nervous wrecks!

Got to meet several Grumblers- Jim Miller, John Ranes (again - first time was Orlando '06), FramerDave, Bogframe, Winnie Bates, Jared Davis, WizSteve, Blake Steffy (PAM Fastening Technology), Pat Kotnour, hmmm... I'm sure there were a few more.

I enjoyed my classes, but yes, attendance was not what I would consider an acceptable number. The fullest one was at a Wizard class with Brian Wolf. He's a delight to listen to. Jared Davis also did a class on maximizing your CMC to increase business which I enjoyed. The second highest attended class was with WizSteve (Steve Kerr) of Wizard as they introduced their latest and greatest - the IF Retail Management system.

Pat Konour did one, showcasing her Attach-EZ system, afterwhich I bought the Starter kit to work on old fabrics to include in my mix.

I visited with Winnie Bates of Clearmount and snagged a double sided, single saw measuring system. What a delightful lady!

Blake Steffy of PAM Fastening Technology was in my sights, and I got the HB 220 Glue Applicator. Also quite the enjoyable visit(s) with him. He is an amazing addition to the Grumble family.

Talked with Linda Wassell (French Matting). An absolutely wonderful lady who promised me she would sign up for the Grumble.

Well worth my time and expense to say the least!
 
We want you Linda!

Linda,

You would be a great addition to the Grumble. I hope to see you soon!

Susan MCPF (thanks to some guidance from Linda!)
 
Don't hold your breath for Linda, she has told me a couple times she would join up here. I keep hearing she has and lost her password. Come on Linda, you will fit right in.

Just some good natured razzing.........................
 
Hey thanks for the kind words, David! It was a pleasure meeting you this weekend. I agree, the attendance was far lower than it should of been, but that's just a sign of the times I suppose. I'll be in the Charleston area sometime this year for work, maybe we can do lunch
 
After the trip from h e l l, I finally made it into Hotalnta after 7 on Friday, so I missed the Omni Bar deal. I ran into Deacon in the second aisle of the (poorly attended) show and had a nice conversation with him. Deacon's a delightful man. I also ran into Pat, Jim, Winnie (who I first met at the ill-fated Louisville show), John and Linda, who taught the Recertification class. I also tried to talk her into The Grumble, but I think she's going to stay more on the PPFA site. Too bad for us, she's very knowledgeable and witty to boot.
The big news is that it looks like Decor is going to have a two day show in NYC in February in conjunction with ArtExpo! Yay, no getting on flights from NY to Detroit and onto a plane with a busted starter so you get delayed for two hours and miss a get-together.
 
W E W A N T L I N D A ! :D

I've taken quite a few of Linda's classes. She is an amazing role model for us framers. Her designs are magnificant and she is a framing encyclopedia! Ask her and she knows it! If you can take one of her classes, you will leave with so many ideas.

Susan MCPF
 
Linda is coming to the NEPPFA Chapter meeting on October 27th at the Brewery in Portsmouth NH! She'll be giving a class on glass etching and glass decoration.
 
Linda is coming to the NEPPFA Chapter meeting on October 27th at the Brewery in Portsmouth NH! She'll be giving a class on glass etching and glass decoration.

I took her glass etching class in Atlanta. It is a defininte don't miss in my book!
 
After the trip from h e l l, I finally made it into Hotalnta after 7 on Friday, so I missed the Omni Bar deal. I ran into Deacon in the second aisle of the (poorly attended) show and had a nice conversation with him. Deacon's a delightful man. I also ran into Pat, Jim, Winnie (who I first met at the ill-fated Louisville show), John and Linda, who taught the Recertification class.

I *think* I saw you walk by when I was out breaking down the equipment from the classroom, but I wasn't sure if you were coming to Atlanta so I just mumbled a "hello!" at you instead of properly greeting you. So if you saw a guy in a Wizard shirt look at you a bit strangely, that was me.. :)
 
I wish you had said something. I was on a luch break from the recert class and was doing a hurried runthrough. If the guy you saw had a ponytail, glasses and muttonchop whiskers, that was me.
 
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