customer puts me down


True Grumbler
Oct 29, 2002
Marquette, Michigan
oh my gosh,
A couple come in just now with a perfect
cribbage hand they want to frame.

But first they ask me if I have ever framed a deck of cards. i told them no, but i have framed casino chips. They seemed put out.

then they ask me if I play Cribbage. Again no I dont play cribbage.
The lady says in the most snotty tone "Well, THAT doesn't help!"

all i could think to say is Im sorry

then I sit there and help them with a design and i start thinking why in the heck would i need to know how to play the stupid game to frame these?!?!

people are just so mean sometimes.
Good Grumble, Indy!

I framed an old police revolver and some shell casings a few years ago. I'm glad they didn't ask if I'd ever shot anyone.

You should've told them that framers only play strip poker, and then only on special occasions.
Ron, who needs a SPECIAL occasion to play strip poker?!
My response...."Cribbage? Oh I think I remember my great grandmother trying to teach me to play that. Of coarse she was senile and really enjoyed mindless-silly games like that."

Don't let customers like that get to you, indy.

Heck, I don't recall ever wearing a christening gown, taking crochet lessons, learning how to do cross stitch, or stand in line for hours for an autographed baseball but I have framed all of these items and, by golly, I got compliments on most all of them!!

I imagine that there really ARE people in this world who take cribbage seriously!

Just do the best job of framing if you get the job and let them be the final judge of how good a framer you are, not how good a cribbage player you are.

(I always thought that cribbage was played with little pegs on a board with holes in it!! Maybe they don't know what game THEY were playing!)

Thanks Jerry.

I just got off of a website that gave the whole schmear on where the game originated, how it is played, and such and it does include a playing card deck.

I probably should have paid more attention to how the game was played (in my old bar hoppin' days) and less attention on the ladies who were there!! :eek: :D

Does any one on The Grumble play cribbage? I remember when I was a kid ( very long time ago) some old people talking about the game, that's about it. Perhaps this should be on the CPF exam.

Wasn't that a frequent taunt in Monty Python and The Holy Grail? "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY CRIBBAGE!"

The French can be SO cruel!
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I heard the French wanted to strip Lance Armstrong of his Tour de France win for testing positive for three substances banned in France...

....toothpaste, soap, and deodorant.
I like cribbage, but I don't like bridge. I hope that won't disqualify me from any future framing jobs... We taught the kids to play, and now the grandkids. It is a great teaching method for addition and for seeing combination patterns. I try not to enjoy myself TOO much!
Cribbage is required in my family. It's very popular in Maine. My great-grandfather, Grandfather and Father all insisted that we played at any family gathering. Several games.
The perfect hand is 3 fives and a Jack in your hand and a five cut on a seperate pile. The five on the pile must be the same suit as the Jack in your hand. The perfect hand is worth 29 points.
It's a game of strategy. A pegging board is used too keep score.
It's a good game.....really! Bill
This Grumbler plays cribbage, and I am not old and senile. I would have to say it is my favorite card game. I came close to a perfect hand once, four fives in my hand, and the Jack was cut. A perfect hand is probably as rare as a hole-in-one, which is probably why the couple wanted to frame it. I would have asked them to bring in a cribbage board to frame with the cards. I think it would have made the finished product more understandable to those who don't play the game.
Okay, all together now . . .

Down at the frame shop
Down at the frame shop
Customers put me down
'Cause I don't know how
To play cribbage . . .

You're not singing!
I learned as a kid and it is a good game. I guess that makes me old. I am getting older by the day.
Wow! For a minute I thought it was that horrible song by the Shangri-Las:

My patrons were always putting me down.
(down, down, down)
They said I came from the wrong side of town
They told me I had no class,
I told them to kiss my ***
That's when I socked it to-the Cribbage Playing Crowd!

One day I decided that I was through
I had to tell the Cribbage Crowd that they were to
They stood there and tried to be crass
But all I could do was laugh
I'm glad to be rid of you;
The Cribbage Playing Crowd.
I just finished winning tonight's cribbage game, had a high score on one hand of 24. Great numbers game, as long as you have a deck of cards and a board you can just about play anywhere, two people, three people and pairs. Jay H, don't put us down for playing cribbage!
Dear Indy,

Don't be that suspiciously minded.
If those clients of yours were so fond of an esoteric card playing game like Cribbage, it would be just natural for them to seek/expect esthetic emotions and pleasant memories from framing a specific deck of cards in a MEANINGFUL WAY that only a connoisseur could envision.
Framing a deck of poker cards, for instance, does not compare to framing casino chips.
Five chips are just that, as well as five odd playing cards. But a framer who knows that game would probably choose to display four aces, a royal quinta or perhaps a winning hand that that won a fortune to his prospective client. Pam de Simone made same point as I did but in a much tenderer manner than the one I am infamous for.

I hate to be again making myself new enemies, but those who jumped to your comfort head first are revealing unflattering aspects of themselves. In reality it does take quite a lot to become a real good framer, intimately understanding the frames and the objects to be framed being a must. But this is just my opinion and I might be dead wrong, especially in this age of ours in which framers tend to phone a frame rather than make one themselves.

As of being put down by your client …hmmm. Don’t we all patronize, pretend, dictate and scrutinize on every item or service we pay for? It is buyer’s ascendant over the seller old game. Some are playing this game graciously, others less so, that’s all it is.
Looks like there will be a Cribbage tournament in the Omni bar on Friday night. Don't worry about the rules, Dermot. I can teach them to you in about five minutes. The rules are easy; it's the strategy that gets complicated.

I once framed a perfect hand. I sandwiched the cards between two sheets of plexi with the deal and the up card face up, the crib cards face down. I raised the sandwich and backed the piece with a mirror.

My Cribbage-playing customer loved it. Everybody else just said 'Huh?'

I must think here... will the cribbage game be subject to the Rotate Every Twenty Minutes Rule? Do we have to wait until the end of a hand to rotate? Will it be like duplicate bridge? Or more like tag team wrestling?
[edited to correct spelling... can't STAND to misspell...]

I’m heading to Valencia Spain this Thursday for 10 days holidays…….I need a new card game to teach the kids and Jean… show them that all my time on the Grumble is not wasted……this will have to be a virtual education experience for me if I’m to learn this game before I depart on Thursday.
I play bridge and cribbage. To frame the perfect hand, you would need the cards kept, the deck with the top card cut all to get the perfect combinations of 15 and knobs. Have fun. Even more rare would be the perfect bridge hand. It happened years ago at the Clinton, Iowa Country Club when I belonged. The four players each had all 13 cards of one suit. Too bad they were old and I think two died of a heart attack when they looked at their cards. Probably the two that had the clubs and diamonds and never got a chance to play or win with their perfect hand.
Played both bridge and cribbage in college. Both great stategy games. Looking forward othe cribbage tourney at the Omni Bar.
Let me get this straight: Cribbage is a very old game of cards that originated in British pubs, saloons and barrooms. So basically, its a barroom game.Yet people actually get SNOBBY because they are players? Doesn't make sense to me.

I agree with CR that the more familiar we are with the objects we frame the better opportunity we have to serve our clients with creative design congruous with the object we are framing.

I'm currently doing research on Masonic design as a customer has requested me to do restoration work on several antique frames from the early 1900's. Should I charge for this research?...I don't think so. The business opportunities it opens up and the chance to serve my client better are enough satisfaction. That said, if I was required to do the research immediately and the work had to be done by next weekend, then yes, I would have to factor in a cost of research.

Hopefully the Cribbage client's immediate reaction was genuine concern and not intended to be insulting. If they have such a passion for the game that they want to spend good money bringing the work to you for professional framing...God bless 'em! We can use more passionate customers with educated tastes in framing.

Dave Makielski
Another quick note to the above comment... what a perfect opportunity to get to know your client better by showing an interest in their passion for the game. They could be your best resource and would be flattered if you asked thgem about the game and other nuances which would help you serve them better.

Either I don't take these posts serious enough or others take them way too serious. Either way let me clarify that I would never call a customer old or senile or anything derogatory. Certainly not you Pam!

To give more accurate "advice": In that circumstance I would become VERY interested in Cribbage. You also might need to see a recent thread to make sure you were in fact "put down". In reality I would do what Dave suggested.

CR, if I revealed anything about myself its that I have a sense of humor (strange maybe but at least existing). Over all I would have to say that your wrong. I'm sure you’re a great framer. A psychologist you are not.
Dave, You're right to go with CR. Understanding about a general nuances of what we frame is sometimes VERY important to our clients. They may even want to play a little cribbage with us.....

Actually Ron, it's poker that looks great in a "Circle" from ILOs. crib looks better with a nice frame from American Choice with a faux ivory clinkers and black faux peg holes.

A perfect hand, for those that "peg" is any hand ending with a golden peg out.(winning).

Dave, Charles and I may be able to help with the Masonic stuff. Anything for a brother.