Crescent Moorman the wet look


SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God
Jun 11, 2004
Edwardsburg, MI
Framed a large law degree using Black Black Core Leather Crescent Moorman Fabric Board. After fitting, I thought the glass must not have been totally dry as it had spots with a "wet look". Took the package apart and there wasn't any moisture. Put it back together and it appeared again. Determined that it was caused by any slight pressure such as the brads I use for fitting. From a few feet you didn't notice the blemishes I couldn't depressurize and the customer came in while I was working on it. I offered to put spacers in, but he was OK with everything and wanted to take it. I told him to bring it back if they didn't go away or if he was bothered in the future with it.

I've used different color leathers before, but never noticed this problem. Any one else notice this problem and, if so, do you have any other solution other than using spacers? :confused:

Dave Makielski
I use a lot of leather ... mostly for my Harley customers ... and have found that spacers are an absolute necessity ... otherwise the pressure spots will appear ... sometimes it takes a while for them to rear their ugly heads!
I to have found that spacers are necessary when working with the leather mats. It's a must to make it look right. :cool: :cool:
I figured that would be the most reasonable solution. I hope he brings it back so I can remedy the situation, but I'm afraid he's on his way to Florida to hang up his law shingle.

Thanks for your input.

Dave Makielski
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Dave, I went through the exact same thing. After checking all possible reasons and solutions, black spacers were the answer.
I wonder if what you're seeing are those same Newton rings we talk about with glossy posters or photos up against the glass.

I don't know - just wondering.

Suedes and leathers do seem to need spacers, though for different reasons.
Framed 6 Harley Davidson black and white prints in the black leather and had to use spacers to eliminate the shiny spots.

Love the black econo space that for just this type of job.
That stuff not only gets shiny spots, it will stick to the glass, and absorb minerals out of it, ruining the mat and the glass. Spacers!

The leathers you have not had trouble with may have been faux leathers made out of rayon or paper.
Gee Ron, I don't want to appear too stupid, but why would you need spacers with suedes. I've used them quite a bit without spacers and haven't noticed any problems. Please don't tell me something is going to come back to haunt me!

Also, would you & the "god of fabric", Baer, advise spacers with fabric covered mats???

Another quick question if I still have your attention...the suggestion has been made to use polyester bunting to "fluff up" or shape three dimensional clothlike items, such as a furled flag. Is there any harm in using 100% cotton batting or cotton balls???

Thanks for helping to rid the world of ignorance without using a gun.

Dave Makielski

"What DO you do with a drunken sailor?"
Maybe it was an isolated instance. Or maybe it was something Greg Fremsted told me (that sly devil.)

But suedes up against the glass seem to get funky after a while. (That's the technical term.)

I don't generally use spacers with linens and silks unless I'm using a fillet.
Suede’s that have the nap roughed up, or made to look like it is brushed in different directions is no problem under glass. The old suede boards were, the new ones are not. I speak for the Bainbridge suede’s, as I have no experience with the Crescent.

Cotton batting is not as good as polyester because the cotton sags to the bottom after a period of time and insects love to eat it. When quilts were made with cotton batting many more stitches had to be used to keep it in place or it would end up at the bottom of the quilt square. Polyester does not attract insect, except possibly to nest in it and it stays in place better.
My first job working with black leather was framing a large law degree too! Customer brought it back with spots.
They weren't there when I framed it. Thought it could have been the humidity or something that made the spots - I was puzzled & didn't know about the Grumble at that time.!!
So, took it apart & just barely applied pressure to the points on the back. It took 99% of the spots away. But next time, its spacers for sure. ;)

Dave, you're ok, they were talking about that board stuff that is supposed to look like synthetically faux manmade simulated kind of like not real suede but it will pass because of the cost.... :D

Just keep using the good Durango and nobody gets Newtons.....

But please ease up on the "god" thing, I'm just a fabric evangelist who works for The Man of the Cloth.

Ron, if it's about spacers, and Greg said it... consider the source...
yeah, sly devil. :D