Corrections

[Jim Miller]

Here are erroneous comments from the InvisiMount thread, and the corrections that were deleted:

I'm just surprised to see Jim on this thread at all, in light of his totally ignoring the existence of anything Attach E-Z in his "complete" book. Kind of a "glaring error" there..... but then, the "non-glare" of Invisi-mount wasn't known then. :kaffeetrinker_2:

Bear is mistaken. The EZ Tach cord and monofilament products are both described on page 36 of The Complete Guide to Shadowboxes and Framing Objects.

If you would like it to be truly considered complete you should mention Pat and her products. Otherwise it is only complete to what you use or endorse, or complete to your personal knowledge.:

The unique features of EZ Tach products are accurately described, but promoting brand names is not a purpose of the book. It is about methods and materials, not suppliers. Materials are described in generic terms, mostly. Where multiple products are suitable for a particular task, brand names are not favored, but differences between the products are described. No supplier sponsored or contributed to the book.

 

[JbNormandog]

If you posted my "complete" comment you would have seen where I say it is not about the brand or supplier.

Display the entire last comment I posted not just what you think supports your argument.


Bob

 

[Bob Doyle]

Umm, I think that what you learn while repping a supplier is part of your knowledgebase. I don't think that is a bad thing by any stretch, but it does influence how you see products, use products and know products. it is a good thing as you will know things about those products that aren't necessarily common knowledge.

We benefit from your internal knowledge of products. Pat has knowledge about her products that are also not common knowledge. She may know things about her products that would have been good to include in your book. I am assuming that there is an index that includes suppliers names and websites?

 

[Jim Miller]

If you posted my "complete" comment you would have seen where I say it is not about the brand or supplier.

Display the entire last comment I posted not just what you think supports your argument.


Bob

Sure, Bob, if that's what you want. I'm not sure how it changes anything, but here is your entire last comment.

Well said.

Pats products are high quality and after seeing her at trade shows she converted me into a user. Her products save time and money and I have been very happy with ALL her products.

Bob

We agree. Attach EZ products are good and so is the company. Do you see a disagreement in there somewhere?

 

[JbNormandog]

That is not the deleted quote I was commenting on.

Pimp your products Jim, edit posts to suit your needs but kindly don't hijack another persons commercial post to sell your stuff, start another post of your own.

Bob

 

[Jim Miller]

Umm, I think that what you learn while repping a supplier is part of your knowledgebase...

I'm not sure what you mean by "repping a supplier". I have never represented Attach EZ, and I have never represented or received compensation of any kind from the makers of the clear polyester films I have used and recommended. DuPont, GE, and Hostaphan probably have never heard of me. If you buy a truckload of Mylar-D or Melinex 516, I would have absolutely nothing to gain, and never did.

I use Attach EZ products and I use a lot of clear film in my framing business, so in the future it is conceivable that I might buy more InvisiMount in a year's time than a dozen other framers combined. But I can't say for sure, because my order has not yet arrived and I have yet to see the product. I am eager to try it.

...She may know things about her products that would have been good to include in your book. I am assuming that there is an index that includes suppliers names and websites?

EZ Tach is listed in the index. Cord and monofilament products, including EZ Tach, are described on page 36, but I'm sure Pat's complete instructions for her EZ Tach fasteners are more detailed than the half page of generic instructions and two photographs included in that section of the book.

The book is about methods and materials, not suppliers. No suppliers were invited to sponsor the book, and contact information is not in the book for any supplier.

 

[Jim Miller]

That is not the deleted quote I was commenting on.

Oh, then what quote was it? Let's see it all -- I promise not to edit.

Pimp your products Jim, edit posts to suit your needs but kindly don't hijack another persons commercial post to sell your stuff, start another post of your own.
Bob

Bob, that's pretty harsh, considering that the thread is about Pat's new clear film product, and I only mentioned that clear film is better than glue in direct contact. Maybe you should read the thread.

You think clear film is my product? Nope. That is a generic term describing flexible-film, plastic sheeting products you can see through. Clear film is available from lots of manufacturers in several types of plastic, such as polyester, polypropylene, styrene, and acetate, with various coatings and surface treatments.

InivisMount is, according to Pat, a clear film product made of polypropylene. I'm sure it is suitable for many, probably most, and maybe all applications where polyester clear film would be suitable. I'm eager to use it and test it.

Pat seemed to disagree when I said clear film (that would include InvisiMount) is generally better than using glue in direct contact with objects. I didn't mention any competing product.

Nor did I mention EZ Tach. Pat did, but I'm not sure why she would recommend that over her new clear film product, InvisiMount. I have used EZ Tach cord and monofilament, and have nothing unfavorable to say about them.

I didn't hijack the thread, Baer did when he (not I) brought up my book, for no reason associated with the thread. And he was as wrong as he was rude. EZ Tach is listed in the index, and accurately described on page 36 in the section on cord and monofilament mounting. My response was not a promotion, I only told the truth about his...well, let's say mistake.

 

[JbNormandog]

Oh, then what quote was it? Let's see it all -- I promise not to edit.



Bob, that's pretty harsh, considering that the thread is about Pat's new clear film product, and I only mentioned that clear film is better than glue in direct contact. Maybe you should read the thread.

Pat seemed to disagree when I said clear film (that would include InvisiMount) is generally better than using glue in direct contact with objects. I didn't mention any competing product.



I didn't hijack the thread, Baer did when he (not I) brought up my book, for no reason associated with the thread. And he was as wrong as he was rude. EZ Tach is listed in the index, and accurately described on page 36 in the section on cord and monofilament mounting. My response was not a promotion, I only told the truth about his...well, let's say mistake.

I have to agree, the pimp comment was harsh and after re-reading the original post you did not bring up the book first.

Get ready for it.......



wait,



I apologize.

What steamed me was that the post I was reffering to was deleted by the powers at be and when I saw partial comments from the other thread I assumed you somehow had access to all of them.



Bob

 

[Mike Labbe]

What steamed me was that the post I was reffering to was deleted by the powers at be and when I saw partial comments from the other thread I assumed you somehow had access to all of them.

Bob

Hi Bob

I'm not aware of moderators zapping any of your posts. I can confirm that none have been erased from this thread. If a post is zapped, it leaves behind a trace of it with the moderators comments(reason for erasing it) that other moderators can see. There are none in this thread.

If a moderator EDITS one of your posts, it leaves a fingerprint with their name, the time and date it was modified, an optional reason, etc. Everyone can see these, not just moderators.

It is extremely rare for us to edit or remove a post, unless it is spam. (we get a LOT of spam every day) A removed post from a regular user would leave behind proof, and would usually result in a private email exchange between moderators - in case questions came up later about the decision. I haven't seen any emails about any of your posts.

Mike

 

[JbNormandog]

Hi Mike,

Bill wiped some posts from Pats thread that sort of hijacked the intial product.

I think it was the right thing to do but saw comments from what I think was the deleted posts.

It doesn't really matter any more, I think Jim and myself have smoothed our disagreement.

Bill may be able to fill you in more but it is probably better off deleted.

Bob

Just found this if it helps...

By request I edited this thread. This thread is located in the commercial forum and this was a commercial for sale post.

This thread became more about someone pushing their product than the one started.

If anyone want to start a discusion about this product with references to other products it should be on The Grumble forum.

Jim, start your own thread here about your book if you wish.

framer

 

[JRB]

I'm not sure exactly what this is all about, what I think I am reading is that Jim wrote a book. Other people are upset because he did not openly endorse Attach EZ products, and have gone so far as to use name calling,"pimp" etc.

It seems to me, a book, no matter what it is about, is a creation of the author. I think what is going on here is much like being at an art gallery, while viewing a landscape, a person who loves eagles, becomes upset that the artist failed to include eagles in his painting. By not including the birds he loves, the viewer concludes the artist is a "hack", and tells him so.

An artist, an author, a musician, all have the right to produce whatever they want. If I wanted to write a book that only mentioned, say, Larson Juhl mouldings, that is my privilege. I do not feel I should be expected to apologize for not including the readers favorite moulding supplier. It's simple, if you don't like what I create, don't read it. Nobody said life had to be fair.

As a side note, I carry just a few of Larson Juhl mouldings.

John

 

[JbNormandog]

JRB,

Pimp was used as a verb (which it has morphed into in the last decade)not name calling. It was meant in the sense of pimping/promoting/pushing a product and I did apologize for going a bit beyond what would normally be said face to face.

Bob

 

[JRB]

JRB,

Pimp was used as a verb (which it has morphed into in the last decade)not name calling. It was meant in the sense of pimping/promoting/pushing a product and I did apologize for going a bit beyond what would normally be said face to face.

Bob

Bob, it was late and I didn't give the entire thread the attention I should have, sorry if I got it wrong. I probably should not have responded at all, since I was so tired. I must've wanted to be creative.

John