Conservation Reflection Control glass

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I have several customers who regularly get Conservation Reflection Control glass because they like the look. I'm just curious... why does this type of glass NEVER seem to go on sale? It seems as though every other type of glass goes on sale from time to time. Is CRC glass the red-headed stepchild of Tru Vue's line, or what?
 
opps

sometimes you see what you want

I would like a million dollars

let's see if that works
 
May be a big seller for them

Lots of times we but Items on sell to move it, maybe this is not a problem for TV, they might sell a lot with out the extra motivation of a sell.
 
It seems to me the CRC goes on sale as much as the CC glass does. It's the Museum that, IMO, dosen't go on sale enough and it is my biggest seller. It seems as if it is always the glass I don't need that goes on sale, then after I pay the full price, the glass I no longer need, because I just got finished paying full price, goes on sale - go figure. Just can't win:shrug:
 
Optically coated, "anti-reflection" glass has reduced the demand for the older-technology, microscopically-bumpy Reflection Control "non-glare" glass.

Reflection Control glass has traditionally been manufactured by chemically etching the glass surface, which is an environmentally-unfriendly process. Regulations and other cost factors are working against that type of glass, which is why Tru Vue began using a coating for Conservation Reflection Control a few years ago. Their non-UV-filtering Refection Control glass is still etched, however, and there is still a market for it.
 
Joe B said:
It seems to me the CRC goes on sale as much as the CC glass does. It's the Museum that, IMO, dosen't go on sale enough and it is my biggest seller. It seems as if it is always the glass I don't need that goes on sale, then after I pay the full price, the glass I no longer need, because I just got finished paying full price, goes on sale - go figure. Just can't win:shrug:
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LJ has had great sales on Museum Glass all this year. I always order 2 boxes at a time to take advantage of the additional 5% early pay discount. You must have the wrong supplier. :p
 
Pat Murphey said:
LJ has had great sales on Museum Glass all this year. I always order 2 boxes at a time to take advantage of the additional 5% early pay discount. You must have the wrong supplier. :p
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I was talking to a friend who owns a shop out west and he doesn't get a lot of the same promos I do. So you might have good sales coming out of your LJ facility (I assume you might be philly), while I might have worse ones coming out of mine (STL) and Joe might not have any. It's apparently quite regional.
 
pwalters said:
I was talking to a friend who owns a shop out west and he doesn't get a lot of the same promos I do. So you might have good sales coming out of your LJ facility (I assume you might be philly), while I might have worse ones coming out of mine (STL) and Joe might not have any. It's apparently quite regional.
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I looked at the emails again - they were northeast region and I'm in the NY distribution area. Too bad for those not getting the discounts, I stocked up. :p
 
I think our LJ region doesn't have many sales on the reflection control (but I maybe wrong). I always see CC and Museum on sale.

Most of the time it seems that when I buy a few bags of supplies like strap hangers, boxes of tape, etc they go on sale the next week or two. Ah well.
 
I suspect our suppliers are simply putting things on sale that aren't moving as fast as they would like. This would mean that it is a warehouse by warehouse decision. It seems to me the MG has been on sale all year.
 
Jim Miller said:
Optically coated, "anti-reflection" glass has reduced the demand for the older-technology, microscopically-bumpy Reflection Control "non-glare" glass.

Reflection Control glass has traditionally been manufactured by chemically etching the glass surface, which is an environmentally-unfriendly process. Regulations and other cost factors are working against that type of glass, which is why Tru Vue began using a coating for Conservation Reflection Control a few years ago. Their non-UV-filtering Refection Control glass is still etched, however, and there is still a market for it.
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Please tell me more. Tru Vue is not etching CRC? How non-reflective is it? What's it look like? Fuzzy as the etched? I'm gonna have to call Don Mar and get me a sample.
 
framebinder said:
Please tell me more. Tru Vue is not etching CRC?
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Correct.
Tru Vue changed their manufacturing process for Conservation Reflection Control Glass a couple of years ago. The UV filtering feature and the microscopically-bumpy surface are now combined in a durable new coating, which is to be placed on the outside of the frame.

The new coating on CRC looks and functions like the older-technology etched surface, which is still applied to ordinary Reflection Control Glass.
 
That "durable new coating on the outside" is not that durable.
Although I do not use that much non-glare, I much preferred the old etched on the outside, UV coated on the inside non-glare.
I talked to Tru-Vue when I first saw the change. I thought they had made a mistake and put the coating on the wrong side.
They told me that because of EPA concerns that they couldn't use the acid etch process anymore and had to put the coating on the outside.
It does scratch and clients have to be told to be careful when cleaning.
 
I got a letter from TV when the change took place, and for a few months, there was a note in the cases. I don't use it much, but have never had a problem with scratching or had a customer complaint. I do make a big deal about not cleaning picture frame glass of any kind with household cleaners.

I have a distaste for all non-glare glazing, and so have to ask: how would you know it was scratched?
 
If there were EPA concerns regarding the UV non glare. Wouldnt there be the same concerns with Reg Non UV?
 
The regular non-glare is single side micro etch using silica like sand blasting. My guess is they just decided to use a non-glare UV film on the other to keep the production cost as low as possible.

The funny thing about non-glare glass is I have had at least a dozen needle workers tell me there is acid in the glass. I have asked them where they got that idea and they have told me from framers over the years. I explain the process old and new and turns out people over the years believed it held some liquid acid content in it which made it harmful.
 
nikfrz said:
If there were EPA concerns regarding the UV non glare. Wouldnt there be the same concerns with Reg Non UV?
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I agree. This is what I was told by Tru Vue. :shrug:
Anyway it's not a big issue since I rarely sell or recommend non glare.
 
neilframer said:
...They told me that because of EPA concerns that they couldn't use the acid etch process anymore and had to put the coating on the outside.
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Tru Vue still manufactures regular Reflection Control Glass by the same acid-etching process they have used all along, and that probably will continue for as long as environmental regulations permit. Their reduced production using the acid-etching process surely has reduced the pollution and might have eased the environmental problems associated with it.

Jeff Rodier said:
The regular non-glare is single side micro etch using silica like sand blasting.
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Perhaps some other manufacturers use a mechanical sand-blasting process to etch their non-glare glass, but Tru-Vue uses an acid bath and no sand, silica, or other abrasives are involved.

The story about acid on the glass has always been a myth. If any amount of acid remained on the glass it would continue to etch, and probably would affect the packaging, as well. The glass is thoroughly washed and the acid completely removed long before it gets into the box.
 
I remember I used to buy regular N Glare that was etched on both sides. Horrible stuff. Cant remember who it was though. I dont think it was TV.
 
The single side etching allows for great clarity even with 2 or 3 mats. I bet it has been a decade or more since I have seen 2 sided etching on any glass other than imported junk ready made frames.
 
Tru Vue's etching process affects only one side, and it is interesting. They seal the edges of two lites of glass together, then run the assembled pairs through the acid bath. After the glass is washed in an automatic system, the seal is removed and the lites separated.

If you ever get a chance to visit their factory in McCook, Illinois, they probably would be pleased to give you a plant tour. But if it's a secret/proprietary process, they might have to blindfold you first.
:party:
 
They may even pick you up at your hotel, blindfold you there, put you in the back of a car, and drive you to the plant so you won't know its secret location.
:popc: Rick
 
Didn't TruVue start putting the UV coating on the outside-side of the ConservationReflection Control glass several years ago or did I just dream that? We rarely used it but with that thought in mind I haven't really considered it for awhile.
 
Frances M. said:
Didn't TruVue start putting the UV coating on the outside-side of the ConservationReflection Control glass several years ago or did I just dream that? We rarely used it but with that thought in mind I haven't really considered it for awhile.
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They did, and for that reason I stopped selling it. Not that I sold a lot of it before they changed. I dont sell a lot of the Reg N Glare either.
 
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