cassesse 810-how much would you buy it for?

stud d

SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Posts
2,381
Loc
next too you
I have a customer who is thinking about selling an 810. I was trying to help her as to what one may be worth. Can any of you guys give me some advice to pass along? Are their replacement parts still available for these machines, different stuff like that to help her with the value. Or heck has anyone bought one lately and for how much if you don't mind me asking? Appreciate any help as usual.
Patrick Leeland
 
The 810 is the model that gave Cassise their reputation. It is the only really good machine they made. The models they produce now are one step above junk, very problematic.

The 810, if is equipped with an oiler ( you have to add that on ) is like an old Volkswagen, it just keeps going and going. I have been using an 810 for over twenty years with hardly ever a problem.

I thought replacing it with one of their newer models would be a good idea, big mistake. The new one usually just took up space while waiting for it's replacement parts, I finally sold it at a $1000.00 loss just to get my shop space back. Meanwhile, the 810 keeps going and going.

Active Sales in California has replacement parts and does repairs on the 810. I would guess the sales value would be around five to eight hundred, depending on it's condition. I would not take one of their new models for free, not worth the shipping costs.

John
 
John

Which recent model did you try before selling it? I have an 810 myself, and have been thinking about possibly replacing it with their 299. Is that the one you had problems with? What were the problems that you had? Do you have any recommendations on alternatives?

Thanks
Andrew
 
The 810 parts are getting scarce. In fact I just bought a $100 part I didn't need because there were only a couple left. It might be advisable to check with Larson or Active to see what left's to purchase for the 810.
 
Thanks guys, I shall inform my customer of this. I priced it a little high, I did say I was not sure, but I felt comfy asking you guys. Ok I shall let her know of these issues and go from there. Thanks all
Patrick Leeland
 
We've got 2 Cassese 486s and a 4095. These machines replaced 810s and they are vastly better machines.In fact, I think these are way better than anything on the market and I've tried them all out. I don't have any experience with the smaller machine but these guys are precise and strong and don't really have any weaknesses. As to what an 810 is worth, we gave ours away after 19 years of service. I'm pretty sure we were one of the first frame shops, if not the first, to actually use a Cassese. Our machine arrived with a technician to set it up from Juel Pacific. I changed the nature of our business, at the time a FIYS shop. I sold about 20 of the 810's.

We make shipping crates in our cabinet shop for every major piece of equipment we use. We sent the 810s back to Minnesota once a year for tune ups. The 4095 has been back to Active Sales once in 4 years (bad circuit board). The 486 and it's successor are vastly superior to the 810's, quicker, stronger and more precise.
 
I bought my 810 used 2 years ago for $1,000. I checked with my then LJ rep who happened to have owned one when he owned his business. He told me even though it was obviously in his best interest to promote the newer machines, I could not go wrong buying the 810 for $1,000. He said the main thing to go on the machine was the driver and those were easily replaced. He looked over my machine when it came in and tested it and said it should last for many years. Of course, I'm not building a 1,000 frames a week like Warren is. So far it has done it's job well. If it does break beyond repair I would have to buy another underpinner because I would never be able to go back to a hammer and nails again......

Sherry, what is the part you bought that has become obsolete?
 
Andrew, it was a 299 DO NOT BUY IT! That machine was broken down about 95 percent of the year we owned it. It could not join more than a couple of frames without needing some new part or another.

I even had Cassise headquarters in France call me regarding that joke of a machine. I had repair technicians from Active Sales come in and work on it, never did any good. It would join a few frames, then break down again.

My employee would not even bother with it, she just went to the old 810. I asked her why, and she said she did not have the time to try and join a frame, call Active Sales to get a new part, etc. She said it was a lot simpler and faster just to use the 810.

The 299 has been gone for over a year now, the old 810 is still cranking. I am being totally honest when I said I would not waste my money paying the shipping charges to get a Cassise 299 for free.

What machine would I recommend? Your old 810 for starters, but be sure to put an oiler on it. When my 810 does finally give up on me, I do know one thing for sure, it will not be replaced by a newer model Cassise, been there, done that, what a waste.

John
 
Sherry you have peaked my interest as well as Kathy's about the obsolete part. If you know of something that can not be bought I should let my customer know so she shall pass the info on. Specially if it is important.
Thanks
Patrick Leeland
 
I'm not at the shop today, but in order to give you the correct answer I will have to look at the schematics and the notes my ex made. Seems like celonoid was in there somewhere... (it has an upper and lower section). We ordered one from Active Sales because Larson no longer had any and one from Larson because they only had two left! Can you tell how mechanically inclined I am? That Cassese is how I finally found something my ex was good at!!!
 
The parts we most recently needed: top clamp solenoid available only from Active Sales (I believe they only had a couple left); and the bottom clamp solenoid available from Larson which we bought "just in case". Hope this helps. I have the LJ order numbers if anyone needs them.
 
Back
Top