I'm not sure. It's for a long-time customer in the 15-20 year range who is an architect. He only had a minute when he stopped in and I said I'd look in to it by Monday afternoon. He wants something like a Nielsen 15 profile with the bottom part, the channel where you slide in the hardware, eliminated. So, that cuts down on the complexity I think. Don't know what the heck he wants it for yet. He designes churches, could be anything. I found some brass fabricators on Google but was wondering if anyone knew of anyone that has been good or at least has worked with a picture framer.