Black Bumpons

Steven6095

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Local wholeseller now stocks black bumpons just like the clear ones I use all the time.
Anyone have any experience with these black ones? Same price.

Steven
 
After the notorious brown bumpon debacle, why would you want take a chance? Maybe black stripes on the wall would go with more paint colors? Of course you would have wait for years to find out.

Pat :D
 
I replaced glass for a customer the other day. She had the black ones and they were so gushy they were about to drizzle down her wall. I would avoid these since the brown became a nightmare.
 
When the clear runs down the customers wall, it doesn't leave such a obvious trail... go with the clear.

And if you really want bumps that stick to the paper/cambrick/tyvek/fingers then go with the oversized felts.
 
Those new felt bumpers from United are REALLY primo - environmentally friendly, come in thick black and light grey and thinner brown and, I believe, green. VERY sticky adhesive - I LOVE THEM!!!! (and they require NO burnishing! LOL!)
 
Designer walls? Black, light grey, brown and green dots and stripes?
Michael's went to the clear bumpons, company-wide, because a woman sued one store because of a couple of brown dots on her freshly painted living room wall. They had to repaint her entire house! Big house! Couldn't match the existing paint, I guess. I'd go with clear, like everyone else has said. Kinda like Wendy's finger-in-the-chili incident, one person can ruin it for everyone!
 
<blockquote>kwote:</font><hr /><font size="-1" face="verdana,arial,helv">Originally posted by Val:
a woman sued one store </font>[/QUOTE]

Could you please direct me to the case history for this incident as I would like to research this a little further.
 
Originally posted by Val:
Designer walls? Black, light grey, brown and green dots and stripes?
Michael's went to the clear bumpons, company-wide, because a woman sued one store because of <font color=red>a couple of brown dots on her freshly painted living room wall. They had to repaint her entire house!</font> Big house! Couldn't match the existing paint, I guess. I'd go with clear, like everyone else has said. Kinda like Wendy's finger-in-the-chili incident, one person can ruin it for everyone!
Now that's just ridiculous!!! What was the legal dept. of Michael's thinking??? It was 2 brown spots on one wall in one room for cryin' out loud!!

"Yeah, lady, we'll paint your entire house for you, ............ wanna add a hot tub while we're at it?"
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P.S. And where was the liability on 3M's part for that matter??
 
I bet they were thinking it was cheaper to paint the house than to deal with a lawsuit!
 
My understanding, which is sometimes foggy, is that the clear Bumpons (the ones I favor, BTW) are an entirely different material and have not caused any problems*.

The black and brown ones have a history of melting. Even if the problem has been fixed, why take a chance?

*Except for the fact that there are an odd number of bumpers on each card, so I have 57 cards with one Bumpon left on each. Not sure what to do with them.
 
Originally posted by D_Derbonne:
I bet they were thinking it was cheaper to paint the house than to deal with a lawsuit!
Yeah, that may have been the fastest way out of a sticky (no pun intended) situation but I still would be sending every name, address, phone number, and any other pertinent information on every 3M management executive I could find to that lady's lawyers.

It is just a case of somebody cashing in on a broke legal system, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Ron Eggers:
*Except for the fact that there are an odd number of bumpers on each card, so I have 57 cards with one Bumpon left on each. Not sure what to do with them. [/QB]
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LMAO

Don't they always do you like that?
 
Ron, you can attach them to those left over Hot Dog buns.. :D

Lance, there would be no case history if it never went to trial. (about 98% of the time law suites are "settled" and never touch the court house steps.)

Painting the womans house... $10k
Litigating a suite.......... $30K
Litigating and losing....... Priceless

NOw I'm curious. Did she go for the red hot tub or the blue flecked one? :D
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Lance, keep in mind there are many stories they told us when we asked "why" this-or-that, that didn't make sense to me, and the one about the lady's painted house could have been that, just a story, but was told to me by upper management who said it was so.
Michael's policy is "100% satisfaction guaranteed, (at any cost, no matter what the incident or who caused it)", rather than go to a lawsuit.There were many instances where I completely disagreed, as the framing department manager, argued about it ("that's not right!"), and "lost". That's one of the reasons I'm no longer there, my choice. Very frustrating. Although I usually "sided" with the customer, many instances were frivolous and sometimes downright ridiculous. Frames were brought back with huge dents in them (that happened after the husband picked it up and found out how much she paid for it, and then demanded she get a refund because it was damaged) that were not that way when they left there, and we were required to replace it at no charge, stuff like that.
People will sue, or demand refunds, over the slightest things because they can. However, I have seen instances where they had every right to do so, if it was to have a damaged piece of artwork replaced, or compensated for. Mistakes happen, frmaers are human, not perfect. M's has insurance for that. Some things are priceless and can't be compensated for.
Most of what M's does, all the archival/uv/etc is not necessarily done because it's the right thing to do, but to minimize the possibility of anyone ever suing them for something gone wrong, i.e. painting the woman's house. I heard that over and over, ad nauseum.
That was my experience there,I feel quite strongly about it (can you tell?) and I don't believe it was isolated. My committment as a business owner/framer now, is to do the right thing to begin with, as I know the rest of you do too, because it's the right thing, and not because I'm afraid I might get sued. That's all. I'm off my soap box now. Thanks for listening.
 
Oops, that was about black bumpons, huh? Not lawsuits. Got carried away. Again. My apology. I'm really working on this, you guys. Bear with me. Late night and all day today painting the frame shop.Tired. Must be the fumes......?
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When my girls were little, I would stick them on their nose's (I know "child abuse" :D )
Or, they would ask for them to be the "wicked witch" or a Cindy Crawford wanna-be
 
Thanks for the explanation - I am aware that such frivalous things are commonplace there and that they are on the increase here which is why I hooked onto the opportunity. Thanks again.

We use the clear bumpons also - why risk it. In saying that changing to Felt is perhaps very high on the list - even if the clear bumpons have no "melting" history, why risk it?
 
Back in the summer I think I remember reading some posts about new black kraft backing paper that some people had received and that black would come off on your hand when handling it. Is that still a problem? I'm almost finished my old roll.

BTW, I use the clear bumpers. I'm not sure if I would use the felt bumpers. The nice thing about the clear ones is that they help keep the picture from tilting on the wall if the customer doesn't have the cord perfectly centered on the hanger. Wouldn't the felt just slide?
 
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