Bevel free with Wizard CMC??

Paul N

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Dear all:

Every now and then I would like to cut something without a bevel. But my Wizard 5000 (and the 8000 too, by the way) according to the Wizard tech support will cut either a bevel or reverse bevel, if you want no bevel you're SOL!

Has anyone found a way to cut a no-bevel with a Wizard?? Any workarounds??

Thanks in advance.
 

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The blade plunges at an angle. I think the odds are better that you will figure out a way to turn a 32X40 board into a 40x60.
 

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How often do you do a none bevel? and wouldn't a reverse work? I've not done such a bevel, and neither of the two mat cutters that I've used (C&H and Fletcher 2200) have the option, (*although my C&H Oval cutter has such a blade*)

If you really needed such a bevel I think you could reverse cut one, then use a straight and a blade and hand-cut one (thus using the reverse cut as an accurate guide).

Good Luck!
 

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Occasionally I get a customer who doesn't want a bevel.

Once I had a customer with a multi-opening (12!) who wanted double mats and no bevels. Imagine doing that by hand!

It is not often, but not that rare either.
 

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I wouldn't offer anything other than either a regular bevel or a reverse bevel. I don't know of any professional frame equipment that does a 90° cut. Other than some of the old C&H's and equiv that have a 90° cutter for cutting board to size.

The only 90° cut mats have been die cut ready mades or "cut with a dull knife" mats done by artists.
 

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One of the times that it would be nice to have the Wiz cut a non-bevelled opening is for Tight-Fit and Newberry Methods ... save having to cut the opening by hand.

It would also be nice to have the Wiz cut 3/16" foam and 12 ply.
 

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I just tryed it....

dang, close but there were a few spots that hit the 89 degree and some were 92.


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Originally posted by CAframer:
One of the times that it would be nice to have the Wiz cut a non-bevelled opening is for Tight-Fit and Newberry Methods ... save having to cut the opening by hand.

It would also be nice to have the Wiz cut 3/16" foam and 12 ply.
I agree, it would make life so much easier.
 

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Originally posted by FramerDave:
I'm assuming that a customer or designer would want no bevel because they only wanted to see color without a white bevel.

Why wouldn't a reverse bevel work? Am I missing something?
Or alpha mats, they're the same color inside and out!
 

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One note: A Wizard is not a $24,000.00 CMC. But, a $24,000.00 CMC won't cut a straight edge either. Now the Gunnar 601 will do it but I think that's more in the 50K range. Essentially the only way this would ever happen is to be able to change the "foot" or "head" of the machine. Now considering the labor to change these parts and the cost of these portions of the machine (outside of motors the most expensive), a nice reverse bevel is the best solution.

People have cut foam on CMC's and boy it looks great with that foot putting a few hundred pounds of pressure on that foam. Now, if you cut this reverse bevel then at least the indentations are only on the back for that wrap.

12 plys - maybe someday with a stiffer blade.

Also, not all Alpha's are matching color core so use your specifier wisely.

I can't comment on hand cutting "Tight-Fit" or "Newberry" mats because I'm just a dumb 'ol boy from Iowa and I'm not familiar with the vernacular.
 

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I noticed that in some of the Nielsen ads the mats are cut sans bevel. One of them looked like an 8 ply.

It made me wonder if this is a trend? or just what the advertizing department had to do to make the photo work right.
 

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When I was trained to cut mats with that advanced tool Baer is holding in the above post, back in the early sixties, it was explained to me this way. The bevel cut is not just for looks, it lets the blade cut an absolutely straight cut. If you run your blade 90 degrees to the board, the blade will start tracking the grain of the board, giving you a wavy cut. Attacking at a 45 degree angle avoids this problem.

John
 

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I think you meant "Geek Tradegy", didn't you PaulN?


What the heck is the Newberry Method?

I agree, it would be great if CMC's cut 12 ply and fc.
 

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PS is that good, but I don't know - it looks pretty real to me. It is a fairly tight close up of the corner of the mat. I noticed it in the ad for Elements, with all neutral browns and shows #41 in Weathered Bronze.
 

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I'm not sure about the specific ad in question, but I'm reasonably sure the original series of L/J consumer ads featuring upscale women admiring their large well-framed artworks were all Photoshopped together. Even the wall, niche, etc. appeared to be computer generated. The artwork itself would be on a separate layer.

:cool: Rick
 

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PaulN,
Try "persuading" the customer to have a reverse bevel or failing that learn a new word to say to a customer who wants something unreasonable - "No" ;o)) ;o))
 
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