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It looks like we will be ready to ship within 2 weeks, so I am posting these pictures to show you how this product looks when used to encapsulate money or collectors cards.

The baseball collectors cards are encapulated with the clear, archival quality polypropylene, which is a new product has been created for the spacific purpose of storge of old documents, magazines, and newspapers. The clear is semi non-glare and has a bit of a shine as you will see by one of the baseball pictures, but not nearly as much as mylar. The clear also contains a protector that helps prevent the growth of stain-causing bateria, yeasts, molds, and fungi, making it perfect for encapulating old pictures or documents.

The dollar and coins are encapulated with the Non-glare, archival quality polypropylene which becomes invisible when used and perfect for post cards, news papers, money, and greeting cards. The picture really doesn't do it justice.

Both the Non-glare, and Clear will be in 18 1/2" x 10 ft lengths, but can be purchased in longer yardage by special order.

Both the Non-glare 601 and the Clear 602 film of the Invisi-mount created for the specific purpose of storage of all types of paper documents and photographs, and will not lift or stick to the print when used to encapulate, nor will it biodegrade, become brittle, or yellow over time.

This product will not be on line until we are ready to start shipping, so if you would like to be on the list, please call 1-800-527-1521.
 

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could fall in love with the non-glare!
 
Excellent for you, Pat...for fulfilling another framing need.

Many times although a framing job really needs Mylar, the customer shoots it down because of the glare..its just not attractive.

This is a perfect little niche. Thank you!
 
As I stated in an earlier post on the G, we were not intending to launch this product until after the 1st of July. I probably should have waited to even show samples of the new product until we were ready to ship, but the cat's out of the bag and the demand is there so we are going to try to start shipping within the next 2 weeks.

Because the clear polyprophelene we were orginally going to use didn't have the micro protecting agent in it, the new Clear is a bit more expensive than the original. The cost will be $15 per 10 ft roll. The Non-glare 601 will be $13 per 10 ft roll.
 
Do you perform encapsulations/overlays in the same manner as with Mylar? i.e. with 889

Put me down for a roll of the non-glare :)
 
Pat Kotnour said:
... The clear also contains a protector that helps prevent the growth of stain-causing bateria, yeasts, molds, and fungi, making it perfect for encapulating old pictures or documents...
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I imagine the protector may be proprietary to the manufacturer of the film, so you may not have specifics, but do you know of any concerns there might be in having these agents in contact with the artwork? Any information on their long-term stability or possible interactions with other materials?
 
Yes, you can do encapsulations in the same manner as mylar. I have also developed a way to make a sleeve that will hold a greeting card, childrens book, or magazine that you can float mount without harm. The three baseball cards, coins, and the dollar are all encapsulated, and are encased between 2 pieces of Invisi-Mount.

As far as the protectant, it is non-toxic and human and pet friendly. The company assures me that it will not out gas or cause any problems with sicking or lifting print of any kind or do harm. The protectant is incorporated in minut amounts into the film to help keep documents safe from the growth of damaging mildew, yeast, and fungi, and will not leach into it's environment.

As far as using it on other types of Art work, I would think it would have to be a case by case situation. What other types are you referring to, Framerdave?
 
At our NCPPFA meeting Pat gave me a sample of her product.

No shine and completely invisible. Perfect for this museum glass project we called Money Money.

Doug
 

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Pat, Can you ask the manufacturer if the product contains anti-oxidants or plasticizers?

Thanks
 
Cliff Wilson said:
Pat, Can you ask the manufacturer if the product contains anti-oxidants or plasticizers?
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According the the manufacturer there are no plasticizers used in the product.

They explained this to me about the anti-oxidant question but I must say they were a bit surprised by why it was would be important to know. Yes, there is a weak anti-oxidant used to insure thermal & processing stability during pelletization processing. It is added by the company who makes the pelleted poly the manufacturer uses to make the finished rolls.

Note: The manufacturer has assured me that the finished product is PH Neutral and passes all the requirements that are needed to give it the archival designation.
 
Ok, I'm going to show my ignorance, but why would I use these products? I haven't seen mylar since I stopped collecting comic books in 1993. What's the point of encasing cards or coins, as shown? I prefer to leave the artwork as untouched as possible.
 
Pat, anti-oxidents have very small molecules which allows potential migration to the art.

Rather than me try to act like a chemist, could the manufacturer tell us which tests the product has passed to enable them to use the "archival" designation?

Thanks, Cliff
 
Cliff, I have been calling the company daily to asked questions that have been posed to me by the people here on the G. I think they think I'm nuts and I am not going to asked them to divulge any information about testing that is crucial to their products....because they, nor would any other company give out that information. The company has been in business for a very long time and I know they would not openly advertise an archival product in writing without being able to back it up. Their competition would find out and use it against them if they did.

You saw the product first hand at the NEPPFA meeting and so have many others. What it comes down to is that people will trust me or they won't. If you go back to when I started the company 9 years ago, there were many right here on the G who tried to put Attach-EZ back in the box before it got off the ground. Fortunately the framers were smart enough to know a good thing when they saw it and tens of thousands of of them over the last 9 years have decided to trust me.

My company and I have a very good reputation for standing behind the products we bring on to the market, and also for the good customer service they receive. Do you think I would jeopardize that to sell a product that costs so little? It is probably best that you don't use Invisi-Mount if you have so much doubt. Just like the Attach-EZ original fabric mounting system, not everyone will believe that it is a good product worth buying.....and that's OK.....because, just like before, I trust that the framers are smart enough figure it out for themselves.
 
Pat, tests such as the Oddy test are applied and used for marketing purposes. I would guess that they would be very HAPPY to share lab test names that their product has passed. It's kind of like saying you are a CPF. There's nothing bad about it, only good can come of telling us what tests they passed.

I DID order some when you're ready to ship! There are many projects I intend to use it on.

However, I do a lot of work for museums. I need more info to use it in that arena.

Here is some of a private message I received from a conservator, which should give you an idea why I have been asking.

"Anti-oxidants in polyethylene films have caused problems in the past. BHT in particular was known to yellow and accumulate as a powder over time. It would be good to know the specific compound that is being used in this product. It sounds as though it's a minor constituent, and is 'built' into the main polymer as an internal, rather than an external component. ... ageing tests would point towards any potential problems."

I'm not trying to be a PITA, just being careful.
 
I found this product by accident and had unknowingly done some of my own aging on it. 17 years ago I wrote a childrens book, and the pen and ink graphic illistrations, the artisit I hired to illistrate the book, were delivered to me in sleeves made of polypropelene with the very same chemical make up as I am using in the Invisi-Mount rolls. The only difference is that 601 is non-glare and my prints were in the clear sleeves like the 602.

These sleeves have not leached, yellowed, gotten brittle, lifted print, or stuck to the prints in any way. In fact, the sleeves don't look any different than the product samples the manufacturer sent to me.

I can't promise that 50 years from now I would be able to say the same thing, but I sure know that nothing has changed in these 17 year old sleeves, that were made by the same company, and out of the same material that is in the rolls of Invisi-Mount....and there is no indication that I can see that there ever will be.
 
Pat,

What is the thickness of 601 and 602?

I was telling another framer I had ordered and he asked me how thick it was. I had to admit I didn’t know. :icon19:

Clive.
 
JWB9999999 said:
What's the point of encasing cards or coins, as shown? I prefer to leave the artwork as untouched as possible.
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Clear film mounting supports an object without using any adhesive in direct contact.

It's always a good idea to "leave the artwork as untouched as possible". So, when you frame collectible coins, baseball cards, military medals, and such, how do you support them securely in the frame?
 
601 & 602 are both heavy weight.
 
Jim Miller said:
It's always a good idea to "leave the artwork as untouched as possible". So, when you frame collectible coins, baseball cards, military medals, and such, how do you support them securely in the frame?
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Please understand that I am mostly self-taught, regarding mounting 3-D objects in frames. I don't claim to have the best techniques, only ones that seem practical to me and my staff.

Medal mounting methods we use:
1. One method is a PH neutral glue on the back side that can be easily removed if necessary.
2. Another method would be using galvanized steel wire or fishing line through a hole and/or the ribbon.
3. Of course some medals are actually pins, and those we can secure through the matboard with the pin itself.
4. Reverse-bevel mats. Today we gave a customer 5 medals that we had double-glassed so he could see both sides. Package in the middle was reverse-bevel hole in the top mat, an in-between layer of mat equal to the thickness of the medal, and then another reverse-bevel hole in the mat showing on the other side.

We've never once framed a "naked" valuable coin or baseball card, not in the 3.5 years I've been framing, but for a coin we'd probably reverse bevel the mat. If someone brought us a baseball card that was valuable, I'd probably use some of those mounting strips that rest along the edge of the art, but only stick to the backerboard and have no adhesive on the art, or I might try to use photo corners.

But actually, 100% of the valuable coins and cards we have seen have been encapsulated before they arrived in my shop.
 
JWB, the benefit of mounting some objects with clear film -- whether it is Melinex 516, Mylar-D, or InvisiMount -- is that it provides excellent support without changing the object's condition. No glue in direct contact, no gravitational or other stress, no slipping or other movement once mounted.

So, if you are looking for a way to frame an object "untouched" by its mounting provisions, clear film mounting is nearly always better than any mount involving adhesive in direct contact.
 
Jim Miller said:
JWB, the benefit of mounting some objects with clear film -- whether it is Melinex 516, Mylar-D, or InvisiMount -- is that it provides excellent support without changing the object's condition. No glue in direct contact, no gravitational or other stress, no slipping or other movement once mounted.

So, if you are looking for a way to frame an object "untouched" by its mounting provisions, clear film mounting is nearly always better than any mount involving adhesive in direct contact.
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I have to jump in here Jim, because, although clear film mounting has it's place, it is a much more difficult way to mount 3D art than the EZ-Tach system of Attach-EZ. When using EZ-Tach to mount items such as jewelry, military medals, eye glasses, spoons, tools, wine glasses, bottles, 33's, 45's and their covers, books, coins, dolls, baseball bats, golf clubs, guns, fishing lures, and the list goes on and on, it is not only strong, but quick, easy to use, and totally reversible.

Although I'm pretty sure that Invisi-mount will work well for your clear film method of mounting Jim, I wouldn't recommend any method or product for use in mounting 3 D art until I had a chance to see for myself how it will work, and I'm a bit surprised that you would, particulary on an Attach-EZ commercial thread.

For those who don't know this, EZ-Tach has nothing to do with the Micro or Fine fabric mounting tools of the Attach-EZ kits. It is a totally different system, which has it's own DVD that shows reversible archival ways to mount 3 D art. It is part of the Attach-EZ product line, and had I known how confusing the name would be, I would have separated the two product lines from the beginning. Unfortunately, with the web site set up and advertising invested in it, it is a bit late for that now......so I will just have to keep explaining the differences.
 
Joe B said:
With that said, I do believe you better check into the Attach-EZ products before you decide that all mounting products are the same. I do not know of other companies that are offering the same products as Pat, at least not for the framing industry. I have all of the products she offers, at this time, and I can guarantee you that the conservation quality and the time savings are something that Jim doesn't discuss in this book. It's Jim's book and it was his choice about what he put in it . I will say there isn't an item that Pat sells that I want to be without, just for time savings alone it makes a big difference.
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Well said.

Pats products are high quality and after seeing her at trade shows she converted me into a user. Her products save time and money and I have been very happy with ALL her products.

Bob
 
By request I edited this thread. This thread is located in the commercial forum and this was a commercial for sale post.

This thread became more about someone pushing their product than the one started.

If anyone want to start a discusion about this product with references to other products it should be on The Grumble forum.

Jim, start your own thread here about your book if you wish.

framer
 
Pat Kotnour said:
Yes, you can do encapsulations in the same manner as mylar.
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Can you explain how this is done for a neophyte like me? I see that it's sold in a 10 ft roll. Is it a single sheet that you cut into pieces, or a bag type like for shrink wrap? What method is used to secure the "front" to the "back" if you were to encapsulate, say, a baseball card?

This might actually be useful very shortly for me. An acquaintance (and frequent framing customer of ANOTHER shop) that I've been prodding for MONTHS to stop in my shop told me today that he wants to re-frame 3 confederate bills in poor shape in dilapadated frames... and I immediately thought about this product and mentioned it to him.
 
JWB9999999 said:
Can you explain how this is done for a neophyte like me? I see that it's sold in a 10 ft roll. Is it a single sheet that you cut into pieces, or a bag type like for shrink wrap? What method is used to secure the "front" to the "back" if you were to encapsulate, say, a baseball card?

This might actually be useful very shortly for me. An acquaintance (and frequent framing customer of ANOTHER shop) that I've been prodding for MONTHS to stop in my shop told me today that he wants to re-frame 3 confederate bills in poor shape in dilapadated frames... and I immediately thought about this product and mentioned it to him.
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If you search the Grumble, you will find many threads on encapsulation techniques. :p (If you don't want to buy a book.)
 
Pat, Cliff's questions seem legitimate to me. Why not ask your supplier to read this thread and see for themselves what the concerns are. The bottom line is that Cliff, conservators and others, are liable for their work. If you and your suppliers can figure out a way to qualify the product to conservators without compromising product secrets, then you might have another group to market to. More people to sell to would be a good thing, right?
 
How does a thread in this sub-forum become a Sticky?
 
David N Waldmann said:
How does a thread in this sub-forum become a Sticky?
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I'm not sure, because I don't have anything to do with the ads becoming sticky, but I think it may have to do with the fact that Attach-EZ advertises here on the G, so when I bring out a new product they make it sticky for awhile. That would be my guess.
 
I was informed yesterday that Invisi-Mount is on it's way. We should be starting to ship early next week. If you believe that you are on the list and you don't get a call from me by Fri., please call us. 1-800-527-1521
 
We have the product in and will be starting to ship this week. If you think you are on the list, but don't recieve a call let us know. Sorry for the delay, but it couldn't be helped.
 
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