ATG Turbo glue, PVA glue and preservation framing.

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I am going to start using ATG Turbo glue in preservation framing for combining mats, dust covers, and other things. Not sure what it is made of but is suppose to be acid free and nonreactive. How does it compare to "PVA glues" like the adhesive from Lineco? ATG Turbo is highly recommended in platform mounting and mat work. It is suppose to be completely safe for conservation framing in doing certain things. Do others use it and recommend it? With so many glues, how does one determine which are ok for preservation framing. Leave it at this for now.
 
I'm sure Jim Miller will be along soon with more details, but basically ATG Turbo glue is great for the uses you mentioned. I have been very happy with it for those purposes.
:cool: Rick
 
Tom, you probably will not be able to get definitive information about the chemical composition of a glue - any glue. I tried for years, but it seems that all of the formulations are proprietary. So, the best we can do is follow the advice of conservators and glue suppliers we respect.

We were in Florida, and one thing for sure, ATG's will fail. Whether by slipage or complete failure.
True that...but ATG Turbo is designed to be a hard-setting-glue replacement for ordinary ATG tape. Yeah, the name of this glue is confusing.
Many will use dots of PVA and a few dabs of ATG to hold in place while PVA glue dries.
and that...Good advice.
As for a preservation glue the Lineco brand is considered safer. Also the PVA's hold firm indefinitely.
Many in full preservation framing will use no glues at all, dust cover being the exception, and again, Lineco type PVA.
These are my go-to glues for preservation framing applications, but never in direct contact with customer's property. In my limited experience, the EVA seems to be more water-soluble than typical PVA.

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It may be incorrect but I remember hearing that a lot of the glues we use are PVA glues, just with different amounts of the ingredients to create the varying characteristics.

I use them not only for dust covers and mats, but for fillets as well. As David pointed out, ATG tape fails in the Florida environment, and even the most aggressive fillet tapes will give out after a few seasons. I started using fabric glues to attach fillets, using binder clips are clamps, and have never had a failure. I even started adding fillets to frames before cutting them with great success.
 
I even started adding fillets to frames before cutting them with great success.
Likewise, I glue the fillets to the moulding the night before. When I make the cut, I fill the space from the saw base to the bottom of the fillet with wood strips to aid the fillet from any down force of the saw blade. Excellent fits.
 
started using fabric glues to attach fillets, using binder clips are clamps, and have never had a failure.
I have had good results using Franks Fabric Adhesive. I hold the fillets in place with Framers Points and then wrap them to the frame in several places with 2" paper strips and tape, incase the fillet has a bend in it, keeps everything together.
 
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The ATG Turbo glue is a Kool Tack product, so the same resources where Maxim Glue is available should have it. I get it from a local distributor. It is more viscous than fabric glues.
I get the 2 oz. squeeze bottles (yes, they have to be filled daily, but the control is worth it) from my veterinarian and use those to apply the glue for dust covers. A thin bead all the way around about 1/4" in from the edge, let it set for a minute or so (I don't spread it out before putting on the paper) then put on the paper working from the center of each rail outward to tension it a bit. I then use a folding bone to burnish it before trimming. The stuff is like fabric glue in that it can be heat reactivated should the paper not stick evenly. (tip of the hat to Jim Miller).
 
I'm sure Jim Miller will be along soon with more details, but basically ATG Turbo glue is great for the uses you mentioned. I have been very happy with it for those purposes.
:cool: Rick
i cant seem to find it online anywhere.. anyone have any suggestions on where to buy? i live in Denver CO. thank you!
 
Hi Tariannwilde, and welcome to the G!

Turbo ATG glue would be available through wholesale frame distributors. I don't believe it is available on the retail market.
It can be shipped, but not a great idea in the winter since freezing temperatures can change the nature of the glue.

If you are looking to attach dust covers with PVA glue, you can use any over the counter glue, but you just have to be a little more patient in letting it dry. When I got into the business, we used Elmer's white glue to attach dust covers. Apply a thin bead then spread it out to a skim coat (I use my thumb) and attach the dust cover while it is still wet always working towards the edges of the frame. Any glue that squeezes out can be cleaned up with a dampened cloth or paper towel after you trim with a sharp blade.
 
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Hi Tariannwilde, and welcome to the G!

Turbo ATG glue would be available through wholesale frame distributors. I don't believe it is available on the retail market.
It can be shipped, but not a great idea in the winter since freezing temperatures can change the nature of the glue.

If you are looking to attach dust covers with PVA glue, you can use any over the counter glue, but you just have to be a little more patient in letting it dry. When I got into the business, we used Elmer's white glue to attach dust covers. Apply a thin bead then spread it out to a skim coat (I use my thumb) and attach the dust cover while it is still wet always working towards the edges of the frame. Any glue that squeezes out can be cleaned up with a dampened cloth or paper towel after you trim with a sharp blade.
thank you!
 
Mosr suppliers will ship water-borne adhesives only until freezing temperatures are possible. If such a glue were to freeze - even partially - it would be ruined.
 
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