Help 2 sided map

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ArmyFramer

ArmyFramer

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Had a customer come in with a 2 sided map.
-He would like to show both sides, no problem.
-Would like Museum Glass, no problem.


-Dosen't want a frame....problem.

No matter what I show him, he does not want a frame or mat. Wants it sandwiched between the glass.
Not only do I have no idea if this is possible, how will it be hung? HELP!
 
Matt, get out your magic wand.
Some of these newbie framers just don't get it.




In all seriousness, the only ways that I know that you could do it are going to require it be screwed to the wall. If it is screwed to the wall the two sided deal not viable.
 
It can be done if the map isn't to large. I have done it, though it wasn't a map, using products from a stained glass craft shop. A customer brought in a flyer from a concert printed on both sides and signed on both sides by different members of the band. She also didn't want a frame because of the bulk and wanted to hang it over a half wall so that it was the divider between two rooms and could be seen from either room. The stained glass shop has a flat rolled copper wide enough to wrap the glass. Cut both pieces of glass equally and insert the map between the two pieces. You then have to evenly run the flat copper around the edges of both glass while holding them tightly together bending a little of the copper over both sides of the glass to hold it all together - only about an 1/8" is showing over both sides. You then solder the corners and the very ends. I soldered two rings on top for hanging by chain and hook - looked kind of sharp when it was completed and didn't look like a frame even though it basically was. The glass store should have different thickness and width of the copper tape so you should be able to get some thick and strong enough to hold the glass nicely if it isn't to big and heavy. Most stain glass craft shops will be able/willing to help and teach you in just a couple of minutes. Luckily I had some help from my wife who has done that type of crafty thing before. If the map is large I wouldn't do it this way because of the weight and I would be concerned about the liability. I would for sure get a release from liability if it is going to hang anywhere. The one I did was only a 9-1/2" X 12" so it wasn't overly heavy but I still got a release.
 
It can be done buy you need help from a good glass shop. They can drill the four corners or more if size requires and polish sides.Use the blind decoritive screws to hold glass together Drill two holes and attach shakels trough holes and add hanging chain. Lot easer to do with UV plexi glass. Keep the uv benefit and lose the high chace for breakage. Made a map with 2 pieces of glass several years ago for a steady account and it is still hanging.
 
Dependent on how the artwork it is to be positioned use two sheets of tempered glass (or acrylic) with either (a) standoff bolts or (b) edge clips and a cable system. Examples below:

(a) (b)
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Order the glass from your local supplier, the standoff bolts from CR Laurence, the edge clips and cable from a variety of sources including TechnologyLK. If you use tempered glass be sure to tell them "no bugs" (i.e. do not show the tempered glass logo on the glass). Either acrylic or tempered glass will need polished edges. Standoff bolts are available in a couple of basic flavors: the above example shows the type that requires the glass to be drilled; another type uses an edge grip, requiring no drilling prior to tempering.

We do the standoff system fairly often for one of our commercial accounts. Delivering the tempered glass is no fun! It's HEAVY!
 
Andrew, I thought of those too, but that won't work if the customer wants to be able to see both sides.
 
FrameMakers said:
Andrew, I thought of those too, but that won't work if the customer wants to be able to see both sides.
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That's why I mentioned the cable system with edge clips (i.e. option 'b'). Can be positioned floor to ceiling, or wall to wall, dependent on location such that it can be viewed from either side.

Alternatively a (tall) standoff system could be used on top of a mirrored wall! If the customer is that much of a nutter!!!!!
 
Showcase Acrylics makes a sandwich frame. Superior Acrylics probably does too. Two pieces of acrylic of your choice with stand offs to hold them together. sandwich frames can, I thin, be made with an acrylic hanger, but that is usually placed behind the art...never mind. I think this is mission impossible.

My question has always been, how do you attach the art?
 
Why do people make these crazy requests? To quote Chief Engineer Montgomery Scott from the original Star Trek, "You canno' change the laws o' physics, captain!"
:nuts: Rick
 
Ya'll are great. He is one of my regulars that always gets MG. He came in about 30 min ago and said he had thought about it and it might be to hard to do. I will mention the ideas that were posted and see what he thinks.
I didn't even think of using MG Arcylic, that makes it a little easier, just have to figure out the hanging system.

Its a Civil War map, maybe I can talk him into the Decor American flag Moulding!!!
 
If it's an original map from the Civil War, sandwiching between glass is probably highly inappropriate. I don't know how you could make it stay without using glue of some sort. Mats, hinging, optium museum acrylic, and a lovely 19th century reproduction finished corner frame!!
 
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