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    Default CIA (?) Company classic mat cutter???

    Hi Everyone,

    I received a call from a customer today looking for parts for her mat cutter... she tells me it is a 48" "Classic" mat cutter with the name "CIA Company" on it, anyone ever heard of this? Because I can't seem to find any info at all.

    Thanks!

    Shannon
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    Could it be C&H ?
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    More than likely, its says "C & H" and she's having a hard time reading it.
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    I bet it's a C&H Classic. I had one. Nice cutter, but the brass head/chrome bar design requires cleaning and lubrication at least a few times a day. Otherwise, the brass wears quickly.

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    What about Carithers? Could that be the name? They did become C&H right?

    BTW What is she looking for in terms of parts?
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    That would be Carithers, designed by Herb. Then it turned into C+H. Great cutters. Mine is 25 years old and works well. Herb and his son Charlie used to go to all of the shows to do demos. They had a framing school in Jackson Mississippi which I attended. Those guys were dedicated to our industry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Miller View Post
    Nice cutter, but the brass head/chrome bar design requires cleaning and lubrication at least a few times a day. Otherwise, the brass wears quickly.
    Cleaned mine once a week and cut several hundred to a thousand mats on it each week. Never wore out a single part. Many people have a tendency to overtighten the head assembly on the guide bar.
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    Agreed- CIA is Carithers International

    I have a 60" cutter still in use - and it is a fine machine. My machine has a brass cutting head with four points of adjustment to account for wear. It is still true and accurate. We take the bar off to cut mats larger than 60 x 60 since the Wizard will only hold a 40 x 60 board.

    I also still have my Oval Cutter and use it to size oval glass or cut fome-cor for backing on oval frames.

    CIA was bought by 3M (also still have a 60" Art Mate - though it is a CIA Wanna Be) - the mat cutting division was bought by Nielsen/Bainbridge and rebranded as C+H.

    Parts aren't rocket science" and almost anything needed can either be sourced from a good industrial hardware store (like hinge roll pins that do fail) or other fasteners. A good machine shop can fix/fabricate anything else.

    Like a prior post - what parts are needed?

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    I understood C&H was Herb Carithers first go at mat cutters. His wife was Cathy and so C and H but Herb told me the company name was C&H when he bought it. He sold C&H but couldn't resist getting back into the business hence the "Classic" series of mat cutters. More precise, more adjustments, and the best manual mat cutter I ever came across. 3 of these in our shop and we cut hundreds of thousands of mats on them - actually still have all 3. Each framer would start the week by cleaning, oiling and checking accuracy every Monday morning. Perfect corners, perfect Vee grooves. A great mat cutter. I understood the classic line was eventually taken on by Larson Juhl.

    CIA - Carithers International Associates - PO Box 16997, Jackson, MS - 39236 - 601-956-8378

    That's the label on our cutters.

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    Default Wow!

    Hey thanks everyone! The Grumble is such a valuable source to this industry, I'm glad I logged on

    She originally said to me that it was a C & H but upon reading the info on the machine to me she discovered that it said C.I.A. I believe she purchased it from another framer years ago, this guy most likely told her that C.I.A. was now C&H in case she needed parts, this is most likely why she had it in her memory.

    She was looking for a new head but I have not seen the machine yet. I'll be dropping by tomorrow to have a look as she is saying that her mats are all bowing, perhaps she just needs new bearings? Anyways, as mentioned, I will be going to look at it tomorrow, I'm glad I have a lead on a source.

    Thank you to everyone who offered help, I really appreciate it.

    Shannon

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