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St Paul's Cathedral

Discussion in 'Picture Frame Design' started by tedh, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    St Pauls's was bombed during the Blitz in 1940. My customer's grandfather was a London firefighter, and when helping with the cleanup, picked up two pieces of stained glass.


    He asked if he could keep them, and was allowed to, as they were considered debris. His grandson brought them in for framing. He wanted a backlit box. Being an electrical contractor, he told me to send the box to his supplier, who figured out the best lighting, two LEDs.


    Here they are installed:


    I path traced the glass and mounted them slightly raised in the openings, held in with construction adhesive and black caulking to block the light leaking out around the edges.

    The final job looks dull with no lighting:


    But when the lights are on, spectacular:


    Customer picked up today. Very happy. Couldn't believe the brightness of the colors. We cut some vents into the back, but the LEDs are cool so far. The photos don't do justice to the impact, though. Especially if we turn off the lights.

    He's displaying it on an easel.
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2016
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  2. IFGL

    IFGL SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Very nice.
  3. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Couple of comments: these pieces are medieval and irreplaceable. I told the customer to keep them with him until assembly. I photographed them, then did everything up to the fitting without having them in the store.

    He did not want fancy. A simple, non-competing display.
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  4. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    Where else can you find something like this? (only here);)
    LED's have opened up a whole new spectrum of design for us.
    In the "old days" we had to worry about the heat created from lighting like that in a frame.
    Even with fiber optics, there was always a light source that gave off a lot of heat.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2016
  5. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    What I like is that someone else found them and saved me a lot of time. The electric supply company did not charge us for them, either, because of the business they do with my customer. A big client.
  6. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Very cool. (Looks-wise, and heat-wise.)
    :cool: Rick
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  7. justawhitemat

    justawhitemat CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

  8. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Great job Ted. Now you have a source for those complicated to source items that will be useful in future framing projects.

    We just had an audio/video company move in next store to us. They do the sound and lighting for huge shows here on the grand Strand in addition to wiring the sound and alarm systems for all the regional CVS stores. You know I made friends with them in a hurry since many items that I would have searched out sources for are now sitting on their shelves. We have had a couple of minor electrical issues pop up in the new store and these guys just pop in when they have a minute and take care of them.

    Since they do the lighting for local clubs and live events they will be a huge resource for a whole new range of framing solutions. They also stock every type of fastener known to man so it has greatly reduced out trips to Home Depot when we need a unique fastener. I'm like a kid in a hardware store every time I go over there.
  9. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Lucky you. Home Depot 25 miles, smaller stores 12 miles, Ottawa stores 45 miles. Only thing I'm close to is customers.

    I was lucky on this job, and now I can have some fun with lighting. Gotta love LEDs.
  10. Jim Miller

    Jim Miller SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Congratulations on your excellent design and construction. Stunning results.
  11. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Thanks, Jim. But here's the real story: first we used clear silicone to hold in the pieces, but the light leaked out around the edges. I discovered that silicone does not hold paint, so tried some dark wood filler. Fail. Had to tear it all apart, then used the construction adhesive with black caulking. Worked like a charm. Absolutely no light around the edges. That discovery cost me some hours.
  12. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Love this. A real treasure, and thanks for sharing.
  13. GreyDrakkon

    GreyDrakkon CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Curse you, now I HAVE to play with LED's. Been reading up on different types and uses for them...

    As for the piece, very nice! It's amazing how big a difference it makes from having them just loose sitting there, and displayed properly.
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  14. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I've added over 200' of LED rope lights into the front windows at the new store. They only cost $12 per 16' at Wal-Mart and are set up to run end to end so you don't need much in the way of outlets. I have 50 feet of width on the front windows and they are about 10 feet tall. So far I have well under $200 in them and they really make the windows stand out. WM has them in a half dozen colors but they are way more noticeable at night or gloomy days but have certainly paid for themselves many times over with new customers.
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  15. IFGL

    IFGL SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Can we have a picture Jeff?
  16. Jeff Rodier

    Jeff Rodier SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I'll snap one next time I go by when it is dusk or later. They are are visible during the day but won't show much tomorrow since it is going to be fully sunny and 80 tomorrow.
  17. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Debris ..... Huh !
    :cool: St Pauls cathedral eh! That explains why there's 2 holes in one of the windows :D:eek:
    Can we have them back please|?
    Keep the frame and LED's
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  18. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    They're in good hands, Keith!

    But they may come back for a visit.

    Is the cathedral a bit drafty?
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