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Question Should we buy CS200 V-Nailer or U300P AMP Underpinner

Discussion in 'Picture Framing Business Issues' started by dominoguru2, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. dominoguru2

    dominoguru2 True Grumbler

    We build around 10-20 frames per day and need an additional underpinner in case our underpinner breaks.
    Which do you gurus prefer and what is more reliable.

    We are in California and if we purchase the U300P Amp underpinner it is from framingsupplies in NC.
    If we purchase a Cassese V Nailer it is from Fas N Go which is in CA

    I am leaning towards Cassese since they are local and can support. Please advise what you think is a better machine
     
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  2. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Since you already have an underpinner, I would suggest: neither.

    Get a Hoffmann dovetail machine instead. It will expand your capabilities, and while not as fast as an underpinner for "regular" mouldings, it will do as a backup.
     
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  3. Paul Cascio

    Paul Cascio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I agree with David, I see little need for a backup underpinner. Even if it breaks at some point, parts are only 1 day away.
     
  4. framestudio

    framestudio CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    I would go with a local source for your underpinner. That way if you ever need a part or a repair, help is near.
     
  5. graysalchemy

    graysalchemy CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Cassese every time by far the best machines on the market.
     
  6. KPF

    KPF CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Active Sales is in California. They sell Cassese underpinners and parts.
     
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  7. Hyperfocal

    Hyperfocal Grumbler in Training

    We have the CS200 and are very happy with it.
     
  8. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I've had several Cassese and couldn't get rid of them fast enough - I got them when I bought out some store closings and tried using them - I didn't like them at all. I didn't like how they worked, the cost of the v nails, and I couldn't get tight mitres. I now us an AMP 4L which I have had zero problems with, I get extremely tight mitres, and the nails are about 1/3 less expensive than Cassese. But then again, there are people that say the same thing about the Cassese vs AMP...I've owned both and IMO AMP is hands down the better of the 2 machines. Parts are just a day away so I wouldn't be concerned about down time.
     
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  9. FM Framer

    FM Framer CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Like those above - I'd go for a hoffman as a backup.

    And like many above, if I had to replace my underpinner or wanted a second one it would be a Cassese - (like Joe, I've owned both but in my case prefer the Cassese).

    I'll leave out the French maintenance manual - but it's French-English translation takes me back to good old days of working on "black boxes" for a French aviation company.....good times!
     
  10. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Did you work on the Concorde??!
     
  11. Bob Doyle

    Bob Doyle SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Since it is a backup machine what are you using and are your current vnails compatible? It would, imo, be stupid to buy a backup machine that uses vnails you don't have on hand.
     
  12. FM Framer

    FM Framer CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Davi

    Negative on the concorde
    Mostly Falcon jets, various American Eurocopter models, Airbus, and Dornier (as a civilian). Bell, Boeing, Beech, McDonald Douglas, and Sikorsky in the military mostly rotary wing .
     

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