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Question Is this real, or is this a Scam ?

Discussion in 'The Grumble' started by echavez123, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Hi Ernesto,

    Thanks for your response,I must tell you I intend to give my husband a surprise with the immediate purchase of the piece. Also If you'd like to know, I'm relocating to Canada soon and our wedding anniversary is fast approaching. So I'm trying to gather some good stuff to make this event a surprise one. I am buying the piece as part of gifts to him (quickly before someone else grabs it). If we agree on a reasonable price,I will authorize a CHECK to you for the payment.

    As regarding shipping, you don't have to worry about that in order not to leave any clue to my husband for the surprise.My shipping agent (who is also moving my Truck and my Properties) will contact you to arrange for the pick-up of the piece (this is to avoid my husband receiving it,if been shipped directly to my address would ruin the surprise for this event). You both have to sign a proof of pick up at the most. So as soon as you receive the CHECK and it clears in your bank, my shipping agent will get intouch..

    As regarding payment, I would like to inform you, that my husband handles the family credit card/bank and PayPal transaction. So i would authorize a CHECK to you for the payment.I would have handled this much differently if I'd been at home but at the moment, am on training voyage to the North Atlantic Ocean, with new hires who are fresh from graduate school and won't be back for another couple of weeks.

    Regards,

    Pamela Mcallister.

    PS: In the meantime, kindly get back to me with your FULL NAME as you want it to appear on the CHECK, ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS PLS..FedEx does not deliever to P.O.BOX ) where you want the CHECK delivered by courier service including your ZIPCODE and PHONE NUMBER, so the CHECK can be sent right away.
     
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  2. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    There is a sense of urgency (anniversary) and the customer is in the North Atlantic Ocean - sounds a bit fishy to me ...
     
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  3. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Scam
     
  4. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    If you have to ask, it probably is.
     
  5. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    It IS real!!!
    A REAL SCAM!!!

    The first thing that pops out is that nowhere is there any mention of WHAT she is talking about...

    or did you forget to let us know that you had already been in contact with her before this email?

    Please, try to not take offense ...buuuuut.... why would anyone do a business transaction thru the email without not knowing WHO it is? Is this from something on your website?

    If so, then you ned to severely limit HOW they make purchases. This isn't one of them.

    The only time i do this is when I know them like when someone emails me from Jackson Labs and needs something done. I've worked with them many times so I'm comfortable.'''

    So... with all that in mind, yes, it's a scam and just delete the emails and move on.
     
  6. MATTHEW HALE

    MATTHEW HALE CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    total scam. i've rec'd several such offers to purchase art from me. if you follow through long enough they'll eventually offer to write you a CHECK for more than the agreed upon purchase price if you will then reimburse them. there's usually some vague justification for doing it this way, even a generous offer to let you keep some of the extra money. they're trying to get you to write them a CHECK and by the time you've cashed their CHECK and it bounces they're long gone with your money. Never could figure out why they always capitalize the word CHECK though. there's a pun in there somewhere...
     
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  7. Framing Goddess

    Framing Goddess SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Classic scam.
     
  8. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    Another red flag is when they attempt to dictate the method of payment like this. There's surely some innocent person out there, trying to be thorough by addressing all possible aspects ahead of time,
    (and I feel sorry for any Nigerian prime ministers who actually have to e-mail people due a surprise inheritance), but for the most part, people don't do this. Most folks would say, 'I have blah blah to frame,
    and I wonder if you do that?' Maybe, what price you charge. Maybe a couple of details. But not the whole gravy boat. And the reason they try to direct the financial stuff ahead of time is so they
    can pull a sneakaroo using a sure method. If you already knew this, please forgive the redundance. You might have known all of the above and still wanted to run it by some pals. That's fine.
     
  9. simplymatted

    simplymatted SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Its the ol Hobokun Hustle.
     
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  10. Joe B

    Joe B SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    It is a scam, don't give her the time of day, I wouldn't waste my time responding...
     
  11. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Absolutely a scam. Anyone relocating to Canada knows a CHECK is really a CHEQUE!
     
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  12. artfolio

    artfolio SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I also noticed the classical Nigerian grammar. Strange they didn't attach a contract or something else to try and give you more grief.
     
  13. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    As soon as they mention 'shipping agent' you know it's a try-on. :rolleyes:

    This woman has a bank account but no Debit card. o_O
     
  14. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    A number of years ago I was selling a classic car on Auto Trader.
    I got a response from a Canadian church that wanted to buy my car to give to a retiring church leader....
    They told me that they would "pay" about $2000 more than I was asking (with a check)....o_O
    Then they started talking about the company that would pick up the car and how I would pay them the difference to the shipping company.:rolleyes:

    I played them until the end when I told them to go to H#ll and that using a church to try to scam people would send them to H#ll.
    They often try to use a church in their scams to try to make it seem legit...
    Sadly, they are just scam artists and if easily conned people would stop responding to these a-holes, they would go away.:cool:
     
  15. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    We have a customer (30+ years) that does not have a credit card, debit card, fax machine, computer or email address. All business is conducted by phone and snail mail.
     
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  16. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    (With apologies to Freddy Mercury)

    Is this the real thing?
    Is this just spamtasy?
    Caught in a scamslide..... :D
     
  17. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    That happened to me when I advertised my car for sale. Fortunately I smelled a rat, but that was mainly because I had read of a local couple
    who fell for a similar scam. People who buy cars generally do not do so without a test drive and then they will haggle. If they say yes without
    at least seeing the vehicle and don't want the beat you down a bit on price, you can bet your boots they are wrong'uns. :(

    It all revolves around greed. People may be a bit suspicious but in the back of their minds there is always the idea that it might be genuine
    and they will miss out. Most people are honest and can't conceive of what seem to be perfectly nice people trying to rob them.
     
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  18. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    My Dad sold a Coronet Custom many moons ago. Not sure how/where he listed it - probably the weekly "Shopper". Guy came, walked around the car and said "I'll take it". Never so much as opened a door. I know he had it for quite some years, as he lived on a main road that we traveled somewhat regularly. I guess he was happy...
     
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  19. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    There shouldn't even be a question of whether this is a scam. This is an obvious scam.
     
  20. Sonny

    Sonny CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Read no further than the first paragraph. She is trying much to hard to gain your sympathy for her event and your trust.
     
  21. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I didnt want to bore you with the previous emails, but essentially we honed in on size and substrate. She pointed out which image she wanted from our website. This last email was revealing.
     
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  22. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    20 people have told Ernesto ITS A SCAM
    Tot up the time spent typing your answers :eek:
    Could have framed another picture or taken a Nana nap, or a nice drink :cool:
    No need for any more framers to tell ERNESTO IT'S A SCAM
    Get some framing done o_O
     
  23. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    Hey Ernesto, It's a scam. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, my framing is done for the day and I'm bored. Such is theG.
     
  24. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Are you sure? Could be missing an easy sale. Just not sure who would pay for this?
     
  25. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    Homer D'oh.jpg
     
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  26. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    None of us on The Grumble are on here to be "time efficient". Just sayin'. ;)
     
  27. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Busy framing boss. :confused:
     
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  28. framah

    framah PFG, Picture Framing God

    orrrrrr.... maybe you should go ahead with this and then you can let us all know how it comes out. :confused::confused::rolleyes:
     
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  29. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I would take a chance on it, but I am just so dang busy right here. Funny, the prospect has not followed up since the last email. I guess they are hunting for other prospective victims.
     
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  30. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You, when the check bounces 4 weeks later.
     
  31. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    The arrangement would have been, the check must clear first. The real question is, from whose account are the funds being drawn? Probably some innocent victim.
     
  32. Larry Peterson

    Larry Peterson PFG, Picture Framing God

    I asked a bank once about that. They said it clears in a few days. Then I asked about scams like this where it takes weeks for "the spit to hit the fan" and they said, yes that happens and that it can be weeks until they know for sure.

    From one site:

    Your bank also may not be able to determine that the check is fraudulent when you deposit it. Rather, your bank may learn of the problem only when the check is returned unpaid by the other bank, which may take a couple weeks or more. Scammers try to make the item look genuine, which will delay discovery of the fraud. Once the item has been returned unpaid, your bank, generally, will be able to reverse the deposit to your account and collect the amount of the deposit from you.
     
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  33. David Waldmann

    David Waldmann SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    And that's why we require wire transfer any time something sounds fishy. We even have a separate account where the wires come into and then we immediately transfer them to our normal account. This was on the advice of our banker who said that while it's very hard to reverse a wire, it can be done.
     
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  34. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    You still using checks in the USA ? :(
    The last check I wrote was 1 year ago.
    The last check I received was March 2017
     
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  35. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    I haven't had a checking account since 1990.....:eek:;):D
     
  36. Keith L Hewitt

    Keith L Hewitt SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

  37. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Not only checks. Credit cards stolen from tourists in far-flung locations may be used to pay for stuff over the phone.
    The transaction will be carried out but it may be weeks before it is reversed. Scammers work faster than banks.
     
  38. cjmst3k

    cjmst3k SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I get checks maybe 5% to 10% of the time. But often its for very significant amounts, so I don't mind saving the fees. We've luckily never once had a problem with checks.
     
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  39. echavez123

    echavez123 MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Yup. I just wrote a couple this month. Also, the landlord came earlier this week and asked me if I had a check ready. Of course, my response was, "No, I am still waiting to collect recievables ... ". I will not write him a check anyway. Instead, I will do a bank transfer over the weekend.
     
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