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Finishing high-gloss frame corners

Discussion in 'Picture Frame Design' started by JB Garrett, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. JB Garrett

    JB Garrett Grumbler

    I'm looking for advice or helpful nuggets of info on how you finish corners of high gloss/ lacquered frames. I order chop and find that the brightly colored hi-gloss frames usually come to me with ends that look like a somewhat dull blade was used to cut them. Doesn't matter who I order from, the ragged edges seem to taunt me with its white, choppy undercoat.
    Putty doesn't have the gloss I need. I've even tried putting clear nail polish delicately on top of it to give it a glossy look. I've tried the hi gloss paint from the hobby store (used when building models).... I've tried nail polish. I feel like I'm getting close to figuring out the answer but I thought if anyone else has already figured out how to do this, it sure would save me some time and energy. No customer has complained about the quality of what they are receiving but I want to do better.
    Anyone?
     
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  2. Robbie55

    Robbie55 Grumbler in Training

    I struggle to get these looking perfect also - the best I have been able to come up with is to apply p90 over the surface of the moulding near the join and a small amount of high gloss paint in the join (just above the pva). The excess paint get squeezed onto the p90 and I wipe away the excess and remove the p90 and let the paint dry. Its not perfect but I think works better than trying to touch up the corners after joining it.
     
  3. tedh

    tedh PFG, Picture Framing God

    Can you take a close-up photo so the more experienced framers here can tell you if the corners are within acceptable tolerances?
     
  4. DVieau2

    DVieau2 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    I have glossy, matte and luster clear coat rattle cans in supply.

    Shake well and spray into a little cup until you get a bit of liquid. You now have a paint on finish (#000 brush) for spotting touching up. This has saved me a number of times.

    Doug
     
  5. JB Garrett

    JB Garrett Grumbler

    Thanks to all who have responded up to this point... I will continue to welcome all other comments. This is one of my corner samples but it represents the chips of paint & lacquer that I'm receiving with my hi-gloss chops. I'm too embarrassed to take any pictures of my finished product because whether it may be within acceptable tolerances, I'm not happy with it and want to do better.:)
     

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  6. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    Is that an LJ Taffy? That is a cool-looking line, but it is fragile and chippy, and very hard to touch up. If I have to use them, I sand very gently on the AMP mitre sander and try to find a marker that will color the gesso before assembly without being darker than the main color. Then I join on the v-nailer. If needed, I'll mix up a little acrylic as close as possible to the color and use that to touch up the mitre. It's a lot of work. I've told my rep numerous times that I would gladly pay more for the moulding if they could make it more durable (read: "useful").
    :cool: Rick
     
  7. JB Garrett

    JB Garrett Grumbler

    Wow! I tried to do as close a picture as I could so that the frame could be anonymous but you still guessed correctly. There are other lines, however, that are also problematic for the same reason. I'm grateful for the suggestions and hope that one (or a combination of a couple) will get me where I want to be.
     
  8. Pat Murphey

    Pat Murphey SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    For taffy, LJ's join program is your friend. It's their problem.
     
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  9. prospero

    prospero SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I would second Rick's method.
    It's never going to be perfect but a lot better than a chippy edge. :D

    The only way to get perfect corners would be to join a frame in plain wood,
    smooth the corners and then spray the whole frame yourself. Lots of filling
    lots of sanding, lots of money and lots of mess. :confused:

    The sooner hi-gloss frames go out of fashion the better. :p
     
  10. neilframer

    neilframer PFG, Picture Framing God

    I have used the Taffy line a number of times.
    We have a Barton electric miter sander and it really helps.

    We are able to sand the corners so they are perfect and then I always join the Taffy frames in a Miter vise so the corners are perfect and then I V-nail after joining.
    I still join some mouldings in a vise before V-nailing if the moulding is one that has a very slick or very perfect finish.
    We have 8 miter vises and joining some frames in a vise doesn't really take any more time and the results are worth it.

    We throw the corners in the vises for a few minutes and then move on to other things while the corners set up.
    The frames get rotated and then V-nailed and the corners are so good that they almost don't need any putty or touch-up.
     
  11. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I let LJ do the joining on the Taffy line. They do a pretty good job (at least in Cleveland).

    Otherwise, acrylic paint is your friend.
     
  12. Dave

    Dave SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I solved the problem long ago with the Taffy line.

    I threw out the samples. Not worth the extra effort it takes when you can't charge enough to cover for your time.
     
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  13. Framar

    Framar SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I adore the Taffy line and LJ cuts them brilliantly. I also love Presto's Sodapop line - similar bright glossy fun colors. To me they are worth any fuss I have to take with them - and customers adore them too. When they are right, they are right on! :)
     
  14. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I don't have the samples on display anymore. I only use them when someone is trying to match something done previously.
    Another solution is to add a PIA charge to those mouldings (which can be done using the "Set Price" option in FrameReady). There is a glossy colors line from Omega that qualifies for this too.
    :cool: Rick
     
  15. DVieau2

    DVieau2 SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    After looking at the picture I can say my Barton disc sander would solve 95% of the issues with that corner.

    Doug
     
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