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Another Frame and Question

Discussion in 'Picture Frame Design' started by Woodworks by John, Feb 18, 2016.

  1. Woodworks by John

    Woodworks by John CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    There doesn't seem to be much of anything written that deals specifically with the carving of picture frames. Some of you may have seen the two frames I posted earlier and now this one is the classic Waterleaf design. I'm looking for advice on how to transfer designs so they are the same on all corners, especially when there's a cove involved too. I've made templates from the plastic used for salad containers which work great for getting the outer shape but it's the inside details that give me difficulties. Carbon paper and paper tend to slip around inside the cove and are difficult to register. I've attached a picture of the design I'm currently working on. I'd thought of separating all the elements and drawing them on that way. If my drawing skills were better this probably wouldn't be that much of an issue.
    In any case, appreciate any advice someone out there in "Grumble Land" can offer up. By the way, are there very many other carvers/gilders out there? Scottsdale Frame #4 1.jpeg WaterLeafFrame-CornerDetail-WoodworksbyJohn - 1.jpg WaterLeafFrame-WoodworksbyJohn - 1.jpg
     
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  2. Gilder

    Gilder MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Hi John, I use transparent paper but there is no easy way of doing it I believe. I start with the corners and then go to the panels.
     
  3. JFeig

    JFeig SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    If you look at YouTube videos on the subject you will master carvers using simple drafting velum paper and a soft #2 pencil to duplicate their designs. When the flip over the paper the carbon from the reverse drawing will transfer to the wood surface.



    This is how it is done, from the one person operation to the big shops around the world. Except where duplicating machinery is used as in a CNC routing table or spindle duplicator.
     
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  4. Gilder

    Gilder MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    Then it's not a real thing I think, everything has to be done by hand. Don't you think so?
     
  5. Woodworks by John

    Woodworks by John CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Thanks for your answer, why didn't I think of that??? I used to teach junior high woodshop and called that a cheap carbon paper trick! Appreciate you taking time to reply -- John I completed that frame yesterday, here's a picture of it with a painting my wife did. Flower Nuoveau-Ticket to Ride - 1.jpg
     
  6. Woodworks by John

    Woodworks by John CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2


    Thanks Jerome, that's probably the best video I've seen of the transfer process. Like I mentioned in my reply to gilder, I used to tell my woodshop students about that trick and totally forgot it when it came to my own work --- 31 years in a classroom will do that to a guy! In any case, really appreciate the reply and video. Here's a picture of how that frame came out, it's composition gold, 16 x 20 size. My wife painted it and it's titled Ticket to Ride. Flower Nuoveau-Ticket to Ride - 1.jpg
     
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  7. JFeig

    JFeig SGF, Supreme Grumble Framer

    Before automated machines (analog or computers) the method of choice to reduce the cost of carved frames was compo or paper mache ornaments. I do not think that ONLY hand carving is legit for gilding.
     
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  8. Woodworks by John

    Woodworks by John CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Couldn't agree with you more having used compo from Bowmar on several occasions. Recently my wife and I were talking with a gallery representative and you should of seen her lips curl and eyes narrow when we mentioned the words "composition ornaments"! Heck, there's probably some out there that feel composition gold isn't true gilding either.
     
  9. Gilder

    Gilder MGF, Master Grumble Framer

    I have no problem with compo, it's natural but carving with machine is not carving. And those frames are not museum quality hand made frames. Just my opinion.
     
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  10. Myrna

    Myrna CGF, Certified Grumble Framer

    Your frame is exquisite! Fresh, lovely and a nice balance. Thank you for sharing!
     
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  11. shayla

    shayla WOW Framer

    What Myrna said! This frame is beautiful.
     
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  12. Rick Granick

    Rick Granick SPFG, Supreme Picture Framing God

    I love the way the diagonals on the frame relate to those in the painting. Nice job!
    :cool: Rick
     
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  13. Woodworks by John

    Woodworks by John CGF II, Certified Grumble Framer Level 2

    Working on a frame with a Bougainvillea Leaf design and using the transfer paper like you reminded me of. Works like a charm!! Thanks again, making a stiffer pattern from a plastic salad container works great on the outer surface, then transfer paper for the interior details. Transfer Paper - 1.jpg
     
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