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Baer Charlton
May 23rd, 2007, 08:17 PM
This is a start of a more in-depth research project about framers health.
There are four questions/sections.

What do you wear? This is geared toward the day in and day out of work. The shoes that you wear 80% or better to work at the shop and stand in all day.

What do you stand on? This has to do with the floor that you stand on to do the fittings. Most shops have carpet in the "public" areas and behind the design table..... but this is about where you spend the "labor time".

Have you needed to see a doctor relating to your feet/ankles/knees/hips? This is about issues arising from standing all day.

Do you suffer from ____? Problems arising from standing all day.

Well heck! I can't figure out how to build a poll... so just consider these to be the questions and you can post your answers...except I was hoping for some anonymity as to the answers, and some guidance as to the foot-wear and floors.
So folks, this is what we got.

(thanks Mike.. I tried.)

B. Newman
May 23rd, 2007, 08:40 PM
I wear jeans and flannel or denim shirts during the cooler months - change to short sleeves during the hottest of the months.

I wear Ariat western boots most year-round.

The floor is wood. Never had a problem with any "part" other than migraines, which have nothing to do with framing.

Been doin this for 17 years.

No anonymity here!

jframe
May 23rd, 2007, 08:52 PM
A flat shoe with a hard sole was my favorite until I got painful scars on the bottoms of my feet from accidents going barefooted. Now I get around those problems you mentioned with orthotics. I need a shoe deep enough to hold them, which, in my case, is a New Balance running shoe.

My recommendation is a podiatrist/orthopedic surgeon combo who can figure out how to make you stand and walk without pain.

Baer Charlton
May 23rd, 2007, 10:40 PM
Jo, and your floor would be???? concrete?

jframe
May 23rd, 2007, 10:43 PM
Concrete with a mat here and there.

Val
May 23rd, 2007, 11:07 PM
Dr Scholls' walking/standing shoes with orthodic inserts, 100% of the time. For "dress", I wear the clean ones. Who cares what they look like.....if the shoe fits, it's ugly!!

Concrete with padded carpet, entire shop, including work area.

Both hips joints replaced, knee to be replaced soon, bone-on-bone. Other things have contributed to this, but Dr. said standing/working all day for years didn't help. Unloader knee brace is worn all day. Waiting for the day they can replace feet!

Collapsed arches, bunions and "hammer toes" due to damage prior to getting orthotics.

Going on hour #12 for today....feet ache. Oh well, just part of "the deal".......at least hip joints are great now!!

New Crocs should be here tomorrow UPS..........that may change things soon! Yes, Baer?? Please say yes, Baer. Ow-ouch.

Baer, you didn't answer your own questions.....

Framar
May 23rd, 2007, 11:21 PM
I wear whatever shoes are comfortable - with good arch supports and thick comfy rubber soles - Tevas (with socks) in the summer. Just found a nice pair of Rockport moccasins at the thrift store for $3.95 -they need new soles - then they will be comfy and good looking to boot! (so to speak!)

Floors are old wood with old linoleum tiles. Don't have enough work to do that my feet are bothered.

30 years ago when I worked on cold concrete floors wearing flat Chinese slippers or waterbuffalo sandals (!) I finally bought one of those rubber mats to keep my feet from aching.

No foot or leg or knee problems but I go to a chiropractor once a month to keep in alignment.

Hips and upper leg bones ache in the morning before I arise (probably due to the fact that I never move all night - I wake up in the exact same position I fell asleep in!) (Sorry, Captain English!)

Framerguy
May 24th, 2007, 01:20 AM
I have worn Rockports for many years for needed foot support in the shop. I probably started wearing them in the early 90's and would not be without them for work or play. My average purchase of Rockports was almost a hundred bucks a pair on sale, more if I bought the newer styles of walkers or dress shoes.

I had a good friend who raced catamarans in competition and he was also a good customer of mine. One day in the summer of 2002 he came into my art gallery with the most homely looking pair of black shoes on his feet that I had ever seen!!! I asked him where he got them and he told me that he was in a race in California and bought them on a whim on the recommendation of a sailing friend out there. He bet me the price of these shoes that I would love them and thus began the beginning of my transition to Crocs!!! I bought a pair of "Beaches" on the internet as I could not find any locally and I couldn't believe the feel of those shoes on my feet!!

I have some residual chronic pain from an old military injury to my left leg and foot and I always left work in pain which lasted well through the evening even if I got off my feet and rested. These shoes changed all that. I haven't had foot pain in the past 5 years to speak of and I don't have to worry about whether I will be able to enjoy myself of an evening out with friends. And I spend thirty bucks a pair compared to the hundred I spent for Rockports.

I have tried a pair of knockoffs to see if they have the same effect on my feet and they didn't come close to Crocs! The closed cell "Croslite" resin that Crocs are made from have the ability to shape to your feet when warmed by your body heat and they conform to your foot shape as you wear them. I can attest to the fact that they are as comfortable on bare concrete as they are on carpeted wood floors. I have worn them on every type of surface and they are as dependable as morning for me!

If this sounds like a testimonial for Crocs shoes I meant it to be. I have read some of the joking on this forum about the shoes over the years and I meant to set the record straight about their value and their comfort. I wear Crocs almost everywhere now with the exception of the times I switch to my Earth Shoes slides for a change of pace. But you will rarely see me in anything else on a day to day basis.
Ok, I'll climb down off my :soapbox: now.

EllenAtHowards
May 24th, 2007, 06:01 AM
Oh, feet.... I wear New Balance 811s, with custom orthotics. I replace the shoes about every 3 months. They seem to break down in some way, and when my feet and back start to hurt more than usual with no apparent cause, then a new pair of shoes generally puts me right.
I work on wooden floors mostly, but I cut mats on a concrete floor in the basement, with Barefoot mats in all the standing places.
I suspect if I lost 50 lbs, I would have a lot less foot pain, but that seems unlikely as long as there is ice cream....

Steph
May 24th, 2007, 07:50 AM
I wear anything that keeps Mr Ankle, as I affectionately call him, from hurting too much. I've had arthritis in one ankle for over a decade. I still miss my running days. I'm in an old house so, hardwood floors thru most of the shop.

Good running/walking shows with a high arch. Buying shoes is tough for me, too flat of a shoe is as painful as too high of a shoe. The ankle unfortunaltey has a limited range of motion, so I need to find the right height in the shoe dictated by the ankles most comfortable position.

But like Ellen said losing weight would help....oooh but its ice cream season.

Though seriously, Max and I have been going thru a lovely and somewhat rugid wooded trail near the shop every morning. It's great for both of us!

Cliff Wilson
May 24th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Brown Vans Sneakers or equivalent
Have grey foam cushion over tile in the workroom and commercial carpet in the showroom.
No problems so far.

JFeig
May 24th, 2007, 09:24 AM
My building is built on a concrete slab with vinyl tile in the fitting area and front. All work stations and front desk have single or double anti-fatigue pads.

Shoes - Rebock cross trainers - with thick soles .... My feet are fine

The lower back, thats another story.... injured in '76

RoboFramer
May 24th, 2007, 10:42 AM
I wear these for everything bar 'going out'


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/roboframer/boots.jpg

Clarkes - extremely comfy, the studs are air cushioned.

Whole place is concrete and quite rough concrete in the workshop.

Tiled in the shop. Workshop, all around the bench is either deep pile carpet - offcuts from our home or ditto with cushion flooring

No problems with feet/legs - do you want to see my calf muscle again?

Dave
May 24th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Footwear:

Preference: Bare Feet

Reality: Because of glass chards ...comfortable shoes: Dockers or whatever I slip into.

Clothing:

Preference: None

Reality: Because of shedding chest hairs ...Clean T-Shirt.


Flooring:

Preference: My old shop ...wood floors worn from almost a hundred years of ancestors fitting up pictures at the fitting table and pounding nails around the vise. Worn flooring around the checkout counter almost a quarter of an inch trough in the flooring.

Reality: New shop ...concrete floors covered with carpet and rubber mats to ease tiredness from working all day standing (except when I Grumble!).

CAframer
May 24th, 2007, 11:19 AM
What do you wear?
Mephisto's ... expensive but simply the best ... once you have worn Mephistos you'll never wear anything else. Also they offer a complete refurb program so after the initial investment they'll last and last and last for not a lot of additional dollars.

What do you stand on? Heavy duty fatigue mats.

Have you needed to see a doctor relating to your feet/ankles/knees/hips? Nope! And as a preventative I take 1500mg of glucosamine & chondroitin.

Val
May 24th, 2007, 12:18 PM
No problems with feet/legs - do you want to see my calf muscle again?
ACK!! NO!! That was no calf muscle, that was a dang burl! Or an alien. Good grief, I've never seen anything like that.....are you sure that's your calf, John?? Holy cow.....:icon9:

Baer Charlton
May 24th, 2007, 12:28 PM
You're right Val, but then... I don't have too. Tom out did me. I'm late to the party when it comes to Crocs. And I wasn't turned on to them by my surgeon (he told me, I just didn't listen) who stuffed 1/2lb of titanium in my left foot that resulted in a 12EEE to match my right 12D.
I didn't listen to my orthopod or my re-hab guy either...

It was my waiter who I was talking about the stock market.... he took off his UuuuuuuuGLeeeeeyyyyyyyy shoes and told me to put it on and walk across the street and back. (left foot was still in Darth Vader boot).... 2oz of Croslite... and the height matched the surgical boot.... I never crossed the street.

I went and bought my first 300 shares to fund my IRA. THEN went and bought a pair... I was shy .... they were black. Two months later I had Red and blue.

Americana Frame has commercial carpet through out. I used to wear Brooks orthodics with inserts. Still wear them at the gym.

At WCAF, Monday I wore my old soft orthodic black shoes. At the end of Monday, when we all sat down in the bar, Frank turned to me and admitted his feet were killing him. I smiled.

"What are you smiling about?"

"My feet hurt like heck. But tomorrow, I'll be teaching in the morning and then coming right to the show floor." In answer to his puzzled look I continued, "I won't be stopping to change shoes, so I'll be standing in my Red Crocs all day."

Now I'm wondering if I'll be seeing Frank in crocks next year. :D

nancyg
May 24th, 2007, 12:49 PM
Ok, so I should wear something that at least has a toe, but the Teva's are very comfortable. I can stand all day, and not get those dull throbbing shin aches that most other shoes cause.

I labor under the illusion that I can jump out of the way If I should drop a lite of glass........what a fool.

In cold weather I wear my cool orange 'trail shoe'....oo ooh.. they are made by Teva also.

I also love my red Crocs, but they are a bit hot. Over all, I really should spruce up my wardrobe .....Tshirts and a floppy over-shirt may not be the best for the sales counter, but I dress for the shop.

Smile away
Nancy

sward
May 24th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Anything that Clarks built. Best shoes made in my opinion. Good arch supports and great on the heels. Concrete floor with a pad at work areas. Just got the pads, had to insist, concrete even with Clarks is brutal!

Framar
May 24th, 2007, 07:53 PM
I never knew what all y'all were talking about - Crocs.

They are all made out of rubber??? Doncha sweat in them???

Hmmmmm.....

Baer Charlton
May 24th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Mar, I don't know what nancyg is wearing that are "a bit hot", [unless she means "Hot" is a "hot sexy" sort of way... :D], but that is the very point about Crocs... they aren't made from rubber.. so they aren't hot and don't make your feet sweat and get fungus and jungle rot.....

Croslite is a proprietory cross polyester that has an anti fungus and anti-bacterial compound in them so they combat athlete's foot instead of causing it.

People think it's all the same and buy the knock-offs at K-mart for $18, then wonder why Croc Heads rave about their gooney shoes.

Untill you try em, you'll just be clueless.

CAframer
May 24th, 2007, 08:21 PM
Mephisto! (http://www.mephistowebstore.com/index.html) ... Give 'em a try! You'll never look back!

Framar
May 24th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Mephisto? Oh yeah I can see the day I spend over $200 on a pair of shoes! NOT!

So, Baer - most of the closed-toe Crocs look the same - which kind do y'all prefer? I see there are a whole whack of stores near me that carry them.

I do like the red ones - and I'm sure Val would like the PURPLE ones!

Val
May 24th, 2007, 09:09 PM
I'd LOVE the purple ones! But I'm pulling a sneaky, or as Baer not-so-gently reminded me, I'm "Being a Good Mom"!

My daughter sent me a pair of Seafoam Green Crocs for Mother's Day, but they're too small and hurt my toes. So, rather than send them, or wait to take them back or even tell her they're too small and I can't wear them, I sucked it up (Baer again) and went online (local store didn't have that color) and ordered a new pair, next size up. I expect them to arrive any day.

Anyone want a brand-new, only-worn-across-the-carpeted-living-room-once, Caymen style Seafoam green Crocs, women's size 7? $29.99, shipping's on me.

Val
May 24th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Mar, check it out:
Crocs (http://shop.crocs.com/pc-16-4-cayman.aspx?reqid=16&reqProdTypeId=41p&subsectionname=footwear&section=products)

Framar
May 24th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Already bookmarked, Val - already bookmarked!

Speaking of cool comfortable shoes I have found a company called Born which makes the very coolest looking shoes - they look like they were made by little elves in the Black Forest - very comfy and under $100. Maybe I'll buy a pair of those for my birthday present to myself next year!

Baer Charlton
May 25th, 2007, 01:21 AM
Andrew, had Mephistos.... gave me shin splints... doc told me to stop wearing them. Went back to Rockport Pro Walkers for years.. then moved on to Brooks and then Brooks with orthodics.....

then as most older Grumblers know.... Brook with orthod and a Darth Vader
http://www.orthoneuro1.com/images/interior/pted/ankle/replace4.jpg

now its Crocs "Beaches" 90% of the time. But I'm getting some Athens for the summer.

Elaine
May 25th, 2007, 07:45 AM
I wear the alternative of crocs - Quarks

These are similar to look of crocks without the holes on top - look more like a clog. My feet hurt all winter at the end of the day (Landsend shoes, but the least hurtful of others I've tried), but as soon as spring came and I slipped back into the Quarks, the hurt went away. Went and bought another pair of PURPLE (the first are lime green) and I'm thinking I'm going to go buy the red and whatever other color they have. I think its time to leave a pair at the shop all winter and wear them inside.

I did notice, that my feet don't hurt, but they do sweat - maybe they are a different material than the Crocs???? Not sure, but I didn't like the Crocs when I stood in them because of the slope backwards. Take care of the sweat by washing them out!

I have had both hips replaced - not related to framing all day; just too many accumulated impact injuries from sports over the years.

Clothing: depends on the weather. Cotton t-shirts, shorts, jeans - cotton reduces all those flums

Have fatique mats everywhere I stand - wood floors underneath.

I think today I will buy the red Quarks!

Elaine

nancyg
May 25th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Baer
I am (was) definately h:icon11: t.......except now I am flashy hot cause I'm 50 something and it's not the same thing. , so almost anything makes my feet sweat.....I know, ick...

But the crocks are great and I have them at the studio to change into when I ride my scooter to work. Cause even I won't ride in Teva's!:p

Coooool

Nancy

ammo_ozzie
May 25th, 2007, 12:52 PM
My most comfortable pair of shoes to wear at work are my Dr. Martins. I love them to death and the toes show the wear and tear of the job but have to find another suitable pair of shoes to wear since they dont look so hot with shorts lol. I may try the Crocs but for now, my adidas sneakers will have to do (although after about 2 hrs of standing, my heals start to bark at me). I really want to wear my columbia flips but afraid of the glass meeting toes thing. I like all my toes.

auntiesarahjayne
May 25th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Just the idea of glass breaking scares me.

I've had arthritis in my feet since 16 (lucky me). I had orthodics but can't stand the look.

Shoes I live in: Joseph Siebel, Clarks, Borns, Naots, Danskoes. I have to change it up each day otherwise my feet start to hurt. When I need to feel sexy I have some Brighton pumps and Franko Sarto boots. I read this thread yesterday and dreamt I went out and bought Crocks. I'm just don't think they'll go with the wardrobe though.

I agree with the ladies that if I dropped 50+ pounds my feet would be better (and now my back). I'm too young for this carp!

Oh, I stand on wood floors, with fatique mats at the matcutter. Used to work on concrete for 4 years.

Framar
May 25th, 2007, 08:17 PM
On a shoe note aside: today at the shop I noticed the inner linings of my thrift store comfy shoes were coming out so I re-glued them with.......

.....Frank's Fabric Adhesive!!!!!

Betcha never used it on yer shoes, huh Baer?!?

Baer Charlton
May 25th, 2007, 09:16 PM
It peels off the Crocs Mar. :D

auntiesarahjayne, Crocs came out with Mary Janes... very cute. And with the Croc Butter, they can stay nice and shiney. They just don't come in my size. :D

Framar
May 25th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Those Crocs must be some amazing material because I use Frank's Fabric Adhesive as a base coat on rubber and vinyl to make sure top coat paint stays put (for the Art Horse projects).

Frank's sticks to everything, doesn't it??? ;)

Baer Charlton
May 27th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Oh, in that case I think you're using Frank's Fabulous Primer. :D:D:D

DVieau2
May 28th, 2007, 09:14 AM
For the past 25 years: Sears “Craftsman” brand work shoes. On par with shoes that cost twice as much.

I have three different styles , all very chic.

Dermot.
May 28th, 2007, 12:09 PM
There is no scientifically proven benefit of using Fatigue type shoes and Anti-Fatigue matting at the same time.........

On its own the right matting provides great benefit for those who have to work in a standing position.

In fact if the surface you stand on either with shoes or mats or both is too soft, ergonomically you may be doing more harm than good.............the imperceptibly movement of the body may be to much and take more energy and effort to have a good standing working position .........

The university of Michigan USA and Loughborough University in the UK have carried out testing in this area that proved positive with respect to Anti-Fatigue matting

Some Crocs build up a very high static charge and could cause some problems in a framing workshop................I understand that one hospital in Sweden is in the process of banning them as the static build up charge by the Crocs is interfering with some of the very sensitive test and monitoring equipment .......

Val
May 28th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Some Crocs build up a very high static charge and could cause some problems in a framing workshop................
"Some "Crocs? Which ones? Some don't? (I hope the ones I just ordered are the ones that don't !)

Oh dear, because of our very dry climate, I already have a bad static problem in my carpeted shop, and constantly get zapped by my equipment. Have had the grounding checked in the building's electrical, all's well...it's just the climate. A humidifier is not an option. That would be worse in the frame shop. My husband and I even have to touch an arm first, or that little good-by ZOT on the lips leaves more to remember each other by than we care to!

Baer, what's been your Zotting experience in the frame shop with those big red Crocs?

Dermot.
May 28th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Hi Val

I don’t know which ones......one of my customers in a pharmaceutical manufacturing with a cleanroom facilities told me about it....they could not use them due to the danger of static causing explosions ...............someone else told me that crocs have versions with anti-static strips built into them I would be very sceptical of that solution given some of the knowledge I have of static problems....

http://www.esdjournal.com/articles/Crocs/crocs.htm

PaulSF
May 29th, 2007, 04:18 PM
I can't wear clogs in the shop, even though I'm told they are very comfy for people who are on their feet all day. I just don't get good foot-feel when using the foot-operated v-nailer. I can't drive in clogs, either -- I can't feel the gas pedal. Even slip-ons are harder for me to use than lace-up shoes, in terms of foot-feel.

dennis oneel
May 31st, 2007, 09:11 PM
As I am planning to have both knees replace after the first of next year shoes and knee pain are a constant part of my day. I find Irish whiskey or a good local Zinfandel a help after days end. But shoes are critical. I have found the best in the world. They are called Swiss Masai - MBT. Check them out on line. for those with bad backs, bad knees or bad feet they are a true answer. and I don't even get a commision.

Kirstie
June 2nd, 2007, 12:37 AM
As I am planning to have both knees replace after the first of next year shoes and knee pain are a constant part of my day. I find Irish whiskey or a good local Zinfandel a help after days end. But shoes are critical. I have found the best in the world. They are called Swiss Masai - MBT. Check them out on line. for those with bad backs, bad knees or bad feet they are a true answer. and I don't even get a commision.

Found them here (http://www.thegrumble.com/Swiss%20Masai%20-%20MBT) with local dealer listing. Will try them on soon. Thanks.

Kirstie
June 2nd, 2007, 12:45 AM
As I am planning to have both knees replace after the first of next year shoes and knee pain are a constant part of my day. I find Irish whiskey or a good local Zinfandel a help after days end. But shoes are critical. I have found the best in the world. They are called Swiss Masai - MBT. Check them out on line. for those with bad backs, bad knees or bad feet they are a true answer. and I don't even get a commision.

BOTH knees within one year? That's ambitions, isn't it? This will be a surgery down the road for me. Surviving right now with cortisone shots twice a year, and Synvisc, which I tried once. The recovery from knee surgery is not easy. Just watched a friend go through it.

Val
June 2nd, 2007, 01:03 AM
Are you, Dennis or Kirstie, using a knee "unloader brace"? I was scheduled for replacement last Christmas, but chickened out, having "had enough" for one year with both hips replaced 6 months prior (6 weeks apart, no choice).

The unloader brace isn't lovely, or inconspicuous, but has enabled me to put in my normal 8 to 12-hour days on my feet with not much more than an occasional Aleve. Without it, I can't be on my feet more than a couple hours without extreme pain and swelling, as the knee joint is well into bone-on-bone. I could not do my job without it.

Ask your doctor about an unloader brace. Insurance will cover it's "prescription" by your physician. It's engineering distributes the weight and pressure (unloads)past the knee joint down to the lower leg area, via the connecting contraption (don't have a clue what it's called!) Without it, I'm incapacitated. With it, I'm a framer on my feet all day, without injections or pain medication.

Plus, it will help you get into the "handicapped" line at the airport so you don't have to stand in those long lines!:D

Kirstie
June 2nd, 2007, 01:30 PM
Val, do you wear this over your slacks or jeans? I guess I should try it. I would need one for each knee. What a sight.

PaulSF
June 2nd, 2007, 01:34 PM
Kirstie, there's a store in the East Bay called Foot Solutions, and I think they sell the Masai brand. I can't remember exactly where the store is, although Alamo keeps coming to mind. I know it's through the tunnel.

JbNormandog
June 2nd, 2007, 02:27 PM
(left foot was still in Darth Vader boot).... 2oz of Croslite...

I heard that!

kaliganges
June 2nd, 2007, 03:09 PM
New Balance sneakers do me right... no inserts yet, though I could be "gellin'" in time...


Cheers
KJ

Kirstie
June 2nd, 2007, 04:31 PM
Thanks for the tip, Paul. I will look for the shop. It seems a few stores in Berkeley have them as well.

Part of my problem is that our shop is on two levels. I'm upstairs in the office now having lunch. Custom framing and art storage is up here too, so we are up and down, up and down, all day. I send the younger framers up and down for me, but can't all the time. Same at home--3 flights of staris in the house--hilly lots here, as you know. This has affected my knees over the years, along with age, and a wee bit of weight gain;) I get shots before WCAf and travel.

I dread surgery because of the recovery time, and I may not be there for the insurance. I'll look at the shoes. Wearing Asics or Mephisto these days. Flip flops around town--bad, I know.

Val
June 2nd, 2007, 05:30 PM
Crocs!! I got my new Crocs!! I've worn them all day for 3 days, and all I can say is WOW!! My feet don't hurt (yesterday was a 13-hour day, on my feet all day) at all at the end of the day. They are the most comfortable shoes I've EVER worn. Hubby got a pair yesterday....he loves them too. Who cares what they look like........my feet don't hurt for the first time I can remember!! And my knee isn't as uncomfortable....I even forgot to wear the knee brace yesterday all day, and so far today, have gone without it. Unbelievable!

Kirstie, the knee brace is worn over the pants. Even going up and down stairs (we have stairs at home and stairs to the basement here at the shop), is less painful with the unloader brace. Not the most fashionable thing, but the significant pain relief is well worth it.

Ask your doctor. It has bought me a lot of time until surgery.

Titanium hip joints, an unloader knee brace and seafoam green Crocs.....how do I spell relief???

Patrick Leeland
June 3rd, 2007, 11:37 AM
I am with my friend from across the pond, Clarks. Got to love them. I also like vans, but I got fat feet, so many of thier shapes are for slenderer feet. So I am picky on those.

Antifatiuge mats.

I have thought about Crocs, but to be honest you all are funny looking wearing them. So I already got issues, I don't need people busting on my shoes. Maybe I will start with beach ones.

Pl

Michael Mixon
June 3rd, 2007, 07:38 PM
I was wearing wal-mart brahma work boots for about a year. These shoes break your feet in, your feet don't break the shoes in. I just opened up a new frame shop about 3 weeks ago. I opened next door to a Naot shoe dealer. The guy is a saint. He gave me a pair of Naot Arcadia shoes to try. They are a dream. I don't have to hobble home after a long day of work anymore. I swear by these shoes now. Look in to getting a pair. His web site is http://www.theshoeinn.biz/home/default.asp.

Kirstie
June 3rd, 2007, 08:10 PM
Naots are pretty good. I have one pair, and they feel great for most situations, but my pair has a slightly raised heel which plays havoc with my knees after standing for a long time. Sort of like Dansko clogs do. Its amazing how much trouble picture framers have with thier feet and knees! Maybe it is because we are not all such a young bunch on this forum.

Michael Mixon
June 3rd, 2007, 08:43 PM
Kirstie,

Great website. One of the best I've seen in the framing industry. Very informative.

Val
June 3rd, 2007, 09:04 PM
Its amazing how much trouble picture framers have with thier feet and knees! Maybe it is because we are not all such a young bunch on this forum.
...and our hands and wrists and necks and shoulders and backs and hearing and lungs and......

But we love our work, don't we?:D :D :D

Husband just left for a walk. Takin' his new Crocs for a long-walk test-drive. He called me earlier today to tell me he cannot believe how good his feet feel (after day#2), and to ask Baer how to go about buying Croc shares?

Baer?

Kirstie
June 4th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Kirstie,

Great website. One of the best I've seen in the framing industry. Very informative.

Thank you so much for the feedback, Michael. We do the work in house, but updating it is a bit slow because I am dependent upon my part time manager's time. I am learnign as fast as I can, and I can update text and photos, but I still need to learn how to add pages, add new subjects, etc.

Eventually the underpinnings will be reworked by an IT person, but for now I am happy with the general look and navigation of the site. Our next step will be an online store. First, we need several hours--no, days--of update!

Thanks again. We get a lot of business from the site.

Emibub
June 4th, 2007, 03:34 AM
I am a recent Croc convert myself. I have been wearing them for a couple of weeks now. After 22 years of framing I definitely have framers knees/feet. They do make my feet sweat if I wear them without socks. My leather Borns don't do that but, the Crocs are more comfortable so I guess it is worth that annoyance. At this stage of the game I could care less how ugly they are, because they are ugly. Comfort is my only priority. I'll definitely keep a pair at the store in the winter to change in to.

Elaine
June 4th, 2007, 10:57 AM
www.shoeline.com/asp/Showall.asp?Gender=Womens&DivisionCode=114&Price=0&PageNo=1000&SortType=P?refurl=CNP=KNC-GLX

These are a little prettier than crocs - they are Quarks. The price on these are a little high - I only pay $29.99 and the prices here for things are usually higher.

Love my Quarks!

Elaine

Baer Charlton
June 4th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Hi Val

I don’t know which ones......one of my customers in a pharmaceutical manufacturing with a cleanroom facilities told me about it....they could not use them due to the danger of static causing explosions ...............someone else told me that crocs have versions with anti-static strips built into them I would be very sceptical of that solution given some of the knowledge I have of static problems....

http://www.esdjournal.com/articles/Crocs/crocs.htm

Dermot, If you would have read the whole article you might have found this little tidbit: "Maybe the Swedish hospitals have other problems? Maybe the story is just a crock about the Crocs."

I think they should have been looking at their use of sheet vinyl instead of the old standby for anti-static flooring "Linoleum" or the now "Marmoleum". The Legacy,Providence and Kaiser Hospitals here in America have absolutely no problems with Crocs and static charges... neither does Intel and my nephew says that he isn't the only one there wearing them.

But then Sweden has always had their way of bashing things that are Non-Volvo.

But you are right about the use of fatigue mats and crocks or any other orthodic shoe such as running, walking trainers, Crocs, Mephistos, and any shoe with a orthodic heel cup and arch support. The give/support rate of fatique mats have been shown to counter the orthodic benifits of these support footwear. But for standard hard soled footwear, fatigue mats are a must.

Kirstie
June 4th, 2007, 09:01 PM
But you are right about the use of fatigue mats and crocks or any other orthodic shoe such as running, walking trainers, Crocs, Mephistos, and any shoe with a orthodic heel cup and arch support. The give/support rate of fatique mats have been shown to counter the orthodic benifits of these support footwear. But for standard hard soled footwear, fatigue mats are a must.

I can attest to this and now I understand why. When I stand on the mats, or any softer surface, my knees actually hurt more. Interesting.

beta
June 6th, 2007, 12:22 PM
I'm a big fan of my Keens. They're built for all sorts of terrain since they're primarily a hiking shoe company, they offer a nice wide foot bed and great arch support. I even have a pair that are almost like sandals, with a little bit of open spaces, but still have covered toes, that I can wear in the shop during warmer weather. I live in these things both in the shop and out.

Yes, they cost more but I live in these things and they're less expensive than replacing a knee or a hip.

http://www.keenfootwear.com/category_page.cfm?siloID=1

Val
June 6th, 2007, 12:35 PM
I can attest to this and now I understand why. When I stand on the mats, or any softer surface, my knees actually hurt more. Interesting.
After working in a shop that had those rubber fatigue mats, my knees would swell up like balloons and that's when I started having knee issues. My doctor told me it's because they're rubber, and when you make a turn, unless you pick your feet way up each time, your feet will stay planted for a second, while the rest of you moves, until your feet catch up to make the turn. What happens is, while your feet are waiting to catch up, it causes a twisting of your knees.

Repeated twisting is what's so hard on the muscle and tendon fibers, which actually cause tiny, microscopic tears in them, day after day, that never has a chance to heal, hence the inflammation. I have padded, carpeted floors around my work tables now, no rubber mats. The knee damage is too advanced, but it still helps some. Knee brace now. Then surgery when I can't stand (ha!) it anymore, both knees. Yuck.

Framar
June 11th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Oh boy I am so excited!!! The bestest most comfortable and coolest looking footwear I have ever owned that I thought was lost and gone forever (deep breath!) - I have found a source and I am ordering 3 pairs (for the price of one pair of Born shoes!) - once I have these in my possession if you are all really good - only then will I share my secret source with y'all!!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

TheAvidFramer
June 14th, 2007, 12:01 PM
I wear close-toed crocs with a dr. scholls insert in them.
works for me.

couture's gallery
June 15th, 2007, 10:53 AM
Beleive it or not..combat boots...not regular combat boots but tropical jungle boots that I used in Vietnam..they are sooo comfortable and supportive for these old feet, ankles, and knees..had a heck of a time finding a source but finally did so I ordered 6 pair. They are great in this Florida climate also for all the outdoor activities (except the beach of course).

j Paul
June 20th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Well I just found a pair of Croc's that don't look exactly like clown shoes. Being a guy, I didn't like all of the brite colors and the little cut outs.

Found a pair at the Hallmark next door on sale for 1/2 price ($20.) that are called Aspen (no little cut outs) and come in a chocolate brown color.

So far liking the comfort really well. Remains to be seen if they keep their cush, or break down after a while of walking on them.

Emibub
June 20th, 2007, 04:33 PM
JPaul, I have had mine a month now and they are actually getting more comfortable, if that is possible. I didn't know you could get them without holes in them. Those holes make me nervous with glass.

Framerguy
June 20th, 2007, 04:50 PM
They won't break down. I am on my 5th pair of Crocs and still have the first pair although the soles are worn smooth now. I just ordered a pair of Quarks from a website and they should arrive on Friday. I want to try them and compare how they fit to my Crocs. I also bought a pair of Crocs Beach style which has a leather top sewn onto the composite bottoms and they are full heel unlike the open heel Crocs I have now.

Regarding the Swiss Masai shoes, I tried a pair of their sandals and they were absolutely fantastic feeling on my feet!! My problem is a few broken bones that didn't heal properly in my left foot. My orthopedic surgeon told me that I could spend a thousand dollars on shoes and they wouldn't solve my problems until such time that I get my foot rebroken and set properly.

That just doesn't sound appealing to me at this time. I took the MBT's back and the young lady was nice enough to refund my $267 for them. I only wore them on carpet until I made up my mind. That was the bargain when I bought them.

Elaine
June 22nd, 2007, 08:26 AM
my QUARKS!!!! I have 4 pair now! Lime green, purple, navy and black. They didn't have the red ones when I went to buy them. I even ordered a pair a size larger to wear socks in them for the winter and keep at the store!

My feet don't hurt like they used to!! worth every penny!

Elaine

Framerguy
June 22nd, 2007, 09:31 AM
Mine should be here today, Elaine, I can hardly wait to try them on!! Have you worn Crocs at all? If so, how do the Quarks compare to the Crocs?? I like the more open ventilation of the Quarks Freedom to the Crocs.
................. I think.

Elaine
June 22nd, 2007, 01:22 PM
The differences I found between Crocs & Quarks are:

1) Crocs tend to rock your physical alignment backwards, whereas the Quarks have a slight heel that project you forward. This may mean more to me since I've had my hips replaced and need to be aware of posture, etc.

2) I like the looks of the Quarks better. Quarks also have solid clog-like look on one style and a ventilated slot-look style on another style. I bought the slotted ones for the summer and my feet do not sweat like they did in the others. I also feel like I can wear the Quarks with a little bit dressy clothes if I wanted; I didn't feel that way with the crocs - felt like I had duck-billed shoes on!

3) My local store actually sells them in their store less than they are online! Would never have guessed it in this tourist town.


Those are the main differences for me.

Elaine

Framerguy
June 22nd, 2007, 02:11 PM
Ha!! My feet are in Quarks as I type!! The UPS girl who delivers both to the gallery and my home came in and she dropped them off an hour ago! Quite a different feel as you said, the Quarks do tilt you up and forward from what I am used to with the Crocs.

I ordered mine 2 sizes large according to their directions and I may have to get another size bigger as they are a bit tight and I don't know if they will stretch any when they get heated and worn.

But I really like their feel and their looks!!

I may be a convert if I can figure out the sizing differences.

Elaine
June 22nd, 2007, 03:13 PM
Becoming a Quark groupie!

Kirstie
June 22nd, 2007, 09:48 PM
Just bought a paid of SAS sandals. They feel heavenly and I've worn them around town for a week now. Not really for work, but I'm going to wear them tomorrow if the fog doesn't roll in tonight. I work mostly design and in the front room, so I can break the rules. After all, I am not on Workman's Comp!

MacGyver
June 23rd, 2007, 09:38 PM
Being the athletic guy that I was, its Nike cross trainers for me.

Gumbo Girl
June 26th, 2007, 09:57 AM
Privo! by Clarks. Pricey, but gawd, so comfy!

This spring I went with apple green. Tiny bubbles of air under my feet like little men massaging my feet when I walk.

Before these, I swore by my Merrell slip ons, suede to take the glass edges that get rested on the tops.. they slip on, but they don't slip off!

I'm not a big fan of exposed toes in the frame shop. It was a serious rule in the first two shops I worked in, now it's just habit to cover the little piggies..

I leave the Crocs to my kids, who are in the Jibbitz phase, and are now wearing their Crocs one color per foot. For some reason, with these shoes, no one ever gives a look of concern for their fashion sense if my daughter is wearing one torquoise shoe and one red shoe. :shrug:

Framerguy
June 26th, 2007, 12:41 PM
.................. I leave the Crocs to my kids, who are in the Jibbitz phase, and are now wearing their Crocs one color per foot. For some reason, with these shoes, no one ever gives a look of concern for their fashion sense if my daughter is wearing one torquoise shoe and one red shoe. :shrug:

I was talking to one of our new customers yesterday who noticed that I had Crocs on my feet, and she said that she wouldn't wear anything else around the house but Crocs. BUT ..... she wouldn't be caught dead in public with them on her feet!! Why? 'Cause they aren't fashionable, she said. I said that I wasn't wearing mine to make a fashion statement, I was wearing them to be comfortable all day standing on my feet.

Then I considered my own around-the-house foot attire and told her that I agree about using them as house slippers. "I would never wear my beat up blue fluffy muff guffs with the smiling bunny head on each toe in public either." I replied.

Of course they weren't made for outdoors wear to begin with but can you imagine what THAT fashion statement would be??? :faintthud: