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Cliff Wilson
August 25th, 2006, 10:54 AM
Has anyone else noticed there seems to be a lot more used equipment on the market lately?

Jerry Ervin
August 25th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Yes I have. And I often wonder the reason why? Is everyone upgrading, or is everyone closing? Probably a little of both.

JbNormandog
August 25th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Where were all these deals when I was opening a couple years ago?

I am thinking of selling my oval cutter, (am getting a wizard) but now I am unsure if it is worth anything because of all the equipment out there now.

Jerry Ervin
August 25th, 2006, 11:38 AM
Jb

I had the same thought when I got my CMC, just don't forget the fact that your CMC will not cut oval glass.

So I kept mine, just for glass.

Ron Eggers
August 25th, 2006, 12:09 PM
And when the power goes out, you could still cut ovals by candlelight with your oval cutter.

Baer Charlton
August 25th, 2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Ervin:
just don't forget the fact that your CMC will not cut oval glass.

So I kept mine, just for glass. Jerry, you can always come to PPFA in Vegas, I'll be teaching a class on how to cut those ovals with a $4 hand cutter. . . . :D

And can your oval cutter cut a 19"x32" oval, or an octagon, or a fan case? :D

jb, there are plenty of framers who are just starting out that would jump at the chance to pick-up an oval cutter for a few hundred.

It's like a chopper, 50 years and still worth what you paid for it.

J Phipps TN
August 25th, 2006, 12:46 PM
I just cut one by hand the other day. I couldn't find my glass blade for my oval cutter!

It is nooooo fun!

Baer Charlton
August 25th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Jennifer, if you're coming to the PPFA meeting Nov 11th, I'll show you how to whip that cut out in under 4 minutes.. at the end of 10 minutes you will be an expert and you won't go looking for your glass blade again.. except your green handle with a gold ball on the end. :D

kevaura
August 25th, 2006, 05:20 PM
I am looking for equipment,drymount,chopper,and underpinner.my old boss has them,.so I'm thinking about buying from him. but i'm going to wait until after the atlanta show and try to pick up demos.but if anyone has leads,I'm having trouble finding any others.

Patrick Leeland
August 25th, 2006, 05:24 PM
There seem to be a few selling. And others buying, I dont't see it any different than usual

PL

wish I could see that baer

Maryann
August 25th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Still a market for oval cutters - I put ours on the grumble recently and sold it that day (it was a little while until it was picked up). I'll put the $$ in my pocket and cut the oval glass I need by hand occasionally.

Ron, I tried cutting mats by candlelight with it but kept dripping wax on the mat. What was I doing wrong???

JbNormandog
August 25th, 2006, 07:04 PM
I have had more success cutting oval glass by hand than with the big cutter.

It really isn't that bad as long as one outer edge of the glass is at the edge of the oval. This way you get a good break point and then just snap it off in sections from there.

Baer, I would still like to watch you do it in Vegas but I can't make it this year.

Even if I did make it to Vegas I don't know if I would actually get to the show with all those casinos and bars in my way.

Unless your teaching at a bar, then I might have to make it!

Dancinbaer
August 25th, 2006, 08:45 PM
Anyone know where I can get a good used foot operated underpinner?

Baer Charlton
August 25th, 2006, 08:56 PM
jb, I thought that maybe DECORE had jumped into the 21st century and had the old articles on line like PFM... no such luck.

March 2005 issue page 141.

Jay H
August 25th, 2006, 09:07 PM
I just sold my oval cutter about a month ago too. Cutting oval glass is almost theraputic, as long as I'm using scrap.

Jim Miller
August 26th, 2006, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Dancinbaer:
Anyone know where I can get a good used foot operated underpinner? If your needs are small and will remain that way, then perhaps a manual underpinner is best for you. There are probably many of them languishing under coats of dust in frame shops that have moved up to pneumatic machines.

If you post an "Equipment Wanted" ad in the Grumble equipment forum, perhaps someone will remember having one, and sell it to you at a low price. Framers buy them, wanting to economize, and then upgade a few years later.

Trouble is, buying an economy model and then upgrading to pneumatic requires spending the money twice. In many cases it would be better for the framer to keep on with nails & vices for a few more months, and then buy a pneumatic machine that will serve the purpose for many years.

Because pneumatic machines are so much faster and more convenient than manual machines, the price difference may often be recovered in a matter of months.