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ArtLady
April 11th, 2002, 08:32 AM
Crescent makes a 48" X 72" matboard. I wish the glass guys would jump on board. Some artwork just blows out the 40" limitation but not the 72". It would be nice to at least have an AR product for for those larger square pieces that might be 40 1/2 x 40 1/2 or larger. Does anyone know of an A/R product that comes that size? I have researched the Denglass 48 X 72 but it is only 2ml thick and very costly to inventory and transport due to breakage both for the vender and the framer.

JFeig
April 11th, 2002, 08:38 AM
from a safety viewpoint, I would not use any glass larger than 40x60. I would look at an alternative in a plexi (acrylic or poycarbinate) line. It would also be a lot lighter in weight.

FrameItEtc
April 11th, 2002, 08:54 AM
Hello Art Lady...

I ONLY stock 5/32 x 48 x 84 sheets of glass and i order 3200 square feet at a time, which is approximately 114 sheets. This last me about 6 months. Stocking only large sheets cuts down on waist. When i started i stocked only 32 x 40... a few months later, when i needed to order again, i stocked 36 x 48....then later 36 x 60....then 40 x 60. Using 40 x 60 glass i had very little loss. But, when i placed another order for 40 x 60 glass, they were "out of stock" and would be a couple of weeks before it was available. I had enough to hold me for a couple of weeks, but they said they DID have 48 x 84 sheets in stock and offered me an additional discount (.38/sq ft. vs .41/sq ft. for 40 x 60 glass). From that day on (February 1998), i only order 48 x 84 glass. My suggestion is to take to a wholesale glass distributor and work out an agreement on prices... Good luck. ajhohen

:mad: I hate plexi! If your vacuum cleaner ever breaks, simply glue a piece of plexi to the end of a 2" x 2" x 4' piece of wood... lol smile.gif

Dermot
April 11th, 2002, 10:08 AM
To reinforce Jerry’s comments there is a safety issue when it comes to the size of glass and the weight of glass you can use.

I had a chart at one stage which gave details of the size thing unfortunately I cannot find it now, I think it was issued by Pilkinton Glass UK, if I ever find it I will post details.

BTW…..Weight is the glazing terminology for the thickness of glass, glass in day’s gone by was sold by weight.

Ajhohne

The price of glass travels well your pricing would be about the same here in Ireland give or take a bit depending on the glass merchant, that is if you buy by the case/pallet lots……. approx one ton of glass per case 100 to 250 sheets/lites per case depending on size and availability, as a matter of interest is your glass paper interleaved or powdered

cherryp
April 11th, 2002, 10:29 AM
ajhohen,

I totally agree with you about the plexi. I just put an oversized piece together last night using plexi. I thought we would never get all the particles of dust and whatever else was in the shop off of it's surface. graemlins/icon9.gif

Ron Eggers
April 11th, 2002, 11:22 AM
ArtLady,

I have three words for you: Cyro Acrylite OP-3.

Okay, two words and some kinda secret code.

I have religiously avoided acrylic glazing for just shy of 25 years because of the static and scratching problems mentioned. I recently went through a case of 4x8' sheets of the Cyro product during the driest, most staticky time of the year and was dazzled by it's ease of use.

Once our road construction is completed and we don't have to haul the rather heavy cases 1/2 block, I'll probably switch to OP-3 as my default glazing of choice for any CP framing.

Ron

CYRO
April 11th, 2002, 11:56 AM
Thanks Ron for the plug. Testimonials are the best form of Marketing.

As far as the static involved when framing with acrylic, unfortunately it is the nature of the beast just like possible glass breakage.

But, there are ways around it. We have found that IONIZING AIR GUNS are the most useful. These guns provide a stream of compressed air containing low levels of alpha particles. These alpha particles are harmless to the operator, but effectively neautralize static charges which hold dirt to the surface. By using the ionized air to clean acrylic after the masking has been removed, the sheet is less susceptible to dirt particles or dust and easier to work with.

There are also anti-static cleaners for plastics which will also reduce electricity and dust attraction. For example Anstac 2M Cleaner ((508)388-2221) serves this purpose.

Working with acrylic is a training in itself, but as Ron says the advantages can outweigh the disadvantages. For additional techinical information, CYRO has fabrication briefs and a website dedicated to just such questions.

Courtney Clay tongue.gif

Al E
April 11th, 2002, 12:16 PM
I've been using the Cyro AR for the last year for oversized and shipped pieces. I second Ron's endorsement for ease of use, safety in handling and minimal static problem.

Dermot
April 11th, 2002, 12:36 PM
Courtney

Have you any idea what is the supply chain for your products in Europe or if you are presently in the European market.

I do use a generic 2mm Acrylic with a quite degree of ease no more problems than glass just a different approach, I use a damp (distilled water) lint free cloth to clear the Acrylic and always put the Acrylic straight down on the frame package first without letting it touch anything else after I take the protective film of it.

I would prefer to source a product, which is marketed for picture framing rather than the generic product.

If you can point me in the right direction of where your product is in Europe I can take it from there myself, at present in Ireland it is more or less impossible to get anything other than standard glass and Acrylic, the cost of getting the specialist glass for framing are out the window, I suspect that the transport problems on your products would pose less of a problem than glass, its open market over here and whoever arrives with there products first will take the market with little chance of the others catching up.

ArtLady
April 11th, 2002, 12:54 PM
Okay folks,

Let me start by thanking everyone who has responded. Perhaps I should have been more specific on opening post.

I have a piece with a black mat on black museum board that needs a 46 X 46 glass. It has been our experience that dark pieces tend to through off more reflection. The piece has a fillet and a deep fabric mat. An ANTI REFLECTIVE museum product would make me very happy.

A polycarbonate product in our experiece just throws off too much reflection on a dark piece.

I love A/R OP-3 but again we are dealing with the reflection.

Matte finish acrylic is out because the image is a fair distance from the glazing.

Den Glass comes 72 X 48 but it is only 2ml thick. This leaves breakage as the issue for the vendor and the framer. I would not want a 2ml thick piece of glass that thin at that price point around my gallery nor on my customers artwork.

What I am asking for is something A/R for those big square pieces.

Any thoughts?

I am out of ideas.

My dream would be ANTI Reflective Scratch Resistant OP-3 from CRYO. Who else would be interested in seeing such a product???

DGBuck
April 11th, 2002, 01:21 PM
I just finished a piece 44 x 56 using water white AR Den. It was SPECTACULAR!!!. The glass is only single strength and you have to be extra carefull with the water white because of the low iron content, it chips more easily. Seam your edges and make sure the inside of your frame rabbet is totally flat and you should be okay (clean the glue out of your corners!). The results of a piece this large with AR glass are truly fantastic, not to mention the price you can charge for the piece of glass! Keep in mind you will have to buy two sheets at a time (one box). Price it well! ;)

ArtLady
April 11th, 2002, 02:24 PM
That Denglass scares me. First my local suppliers do not stock it. Second if I did get it, it sounds like on top of the cost there is extra prep labor.

rosetl
April 11th, 2002, 02:52 PM
"My dream would be ANTI Reflective Scratch Resistant OP-3 from CRYO. Who else would be interested in seeing such a product???"

Your dream may yet come true -- just read this CYRO quote in Framing Business News:

"...Other future product developments include abrasion-resistant anti-reflective acrylic sheet."

Page 16.

Has anyone checked to see if the Amiran TN from Schott Corporation product has an over over size category? It's got the laminate in the middle -- and the article says a $$ of 72 per square foot.