Mounting wine bottle

[Manny]

Hi all

I have a bit of a dilema--we have never mounted a wine bottle in a shadow box with two wine glasses.
The bottle is wearing an RCMP serge, (kind of like a sleeve), and the glasses are about 7 inches tall. The bottle is a regular wine bottle. I was just wondering if and how anyone else has mounted these items without obstructing views and still staying upright. There are a couple of other itmes to be placed in, which is not a problem. Any suggestions would be greatly welcome.

[Ron Eggers]

I would try to sink at least the back third of each item in a mat to help with support and then run some Mylar straps around each and secure them to the back of the board. Naturally, I'd have to include some Coroplast in there somewhere.

That's what I'd do NOW. The last time I actually framed a wine bottle, I think I used about 12 ounces of silicone.

(That was before I met Jim Miller.)

[fttom]

Manny, where is the serge? Can you slip some wire under it? If you can, wrap some wire a couple of wraps around the bottle, through the serge, then though the backing, and secure it on the back with a couple of turns of wire. Probably should use some kind of washer on the back or make one from foamcore, or coloroplast. Better yet, use coloroplast, if you've got some, for the substrate. If you can peel the serge off, then put it back on, get some E6000 glue to secure the wire to the bottle. Let it set up overnight, then proceed as above. As for the glasses, I think that I'd use the same type of wire trick, but then cover it with some ribbon that matches the serge,in maybe a grosgrain. That's that ribbed ribbon that's real dull finished. You can get it in all colors, by the yard, and it will be real inconspicous, but will cover your wires really well.
That's my ideas. Ok, everyone. Let's hear what ya'll think!!! :D

[fttom]

Ron, we've got to stop meeting like this! People will begin to talk. :eek:

[Ron Eggers]

I sincerely hope not.

[Lance E]

I like the mylar straps idea, not a fan of wire though.
The most important thing at this time of year is to be creative, this would be greatly aided by consuming the contents of the bottle (to reduce the weight of course) and see what happens next. If you choose to use this option I suggest removing the staple gun from the workshop in order to save yourself the embarassment of explaining to the customer that the staples looked like a good idea at the time...

[fttom]

Lance, a question. I thought of mylar, but I have the same problem with that as I did with my wire, how're you going to keep it on the bottle? Honestly, I'd rather Manny use Mylar, also, but I couldn't figure out how to keep it from slipping off of the bottle. I do know that E6000 will hold the wire. I suppose it would also hold Mylar, but I'm not real fond of putting E6000 on that bottle, either, eventhough I'm the one who mentioned the stuff to start with. :confused:

[Curly Grumble]

Originally posted by Manny:
still staying upright. Manny, I hope you're going to keep the bottle "cork down" to preserve the wine? Afterall we're here to conserve everything as long as possible. Either that or drink it first. ;)

Seriously, If the bottle and glasses were to "sit" on a counter/table top (or the bottom of the frame for that matter) that was mounted from the back of the frame, that would take alot of the problem away. All the other items could be placed in the box and the customer could install the bottle and glasses when they get home if there was turnbuttons to close the back. Then hang it.

There is also a "sticky substance" meant to anchor knick-knacks, etc. It's used in earthquake country.............. California members? A little help?...... It could be used in conjunction with the placement of the items.

Hope that this makes sense and it helps.

(PS. Use silione ) ;)

[fttom]

Curly's got the best idea's that I've heard today!

[PurplePerson]

E6000 turns orange, if it is exposed to any heat. However, it is removable from non-porous surfaces, like wine bottles. It peals off.

I am the glue Queen of the world. Just ask my shop. But, I think E6000 is very toxic and should not be used in framing. Have you ever put a drop of it on foam core that has a tiny hole in it, so the E6000 drops through. The inside is completely eaten away in a few seconds. Not good.

[jframe]

Manny,

You might find the "Bottle of Port" topic interesting. Do a search for bottle and you'll find it.

[Ron Eggers]

That's because E-6000 cannot be used on any polystyrene, polyethylene or polypropylene plastics, including Styrofoam. Don't make me spell those again.

Also, it contains a chemical "known to the state of California to cause cancer." I guess it's still a secret from the other states. It is harmful if inhaled or swallowed. DON'T swallow it! It may cause skin and eye irritation. Exposure may cause damage to the kidneys or liver.

I know thus 'cause I'm reading the instruction sheet that comes with it (just the happy stuff.) I bought a tube (on fttom's recommendation) while I was fabric-shopping the other night. The tube is still sealed.

I think that opening it constitutes a terrorist act. The best thing I can say about it is that it makes Curly's silicone look pretty benign.

[Ron Eggers]

In fairness, my bottle of Corner Weld also has the warning, "Do not swallow."

Good thing I went through the McDonalds drive through an hour ago.

I think we need to find out if Manny's bottle still has wine in it. (Well, it did when they brought it in!) I believe that would make a huge difference in how it's handled.

[JPete]

A good challenge, just one thought crossed my mind. cradle the bottle, hang the glasses from above. I have no real solution as to how to do it.

[fttom]

If the durned bottle is full, I think I would have drunk it by now, after reading all of this.

Purp's right about the E6000. You do have to be extremely careful where you use it. It also outgasses like crazy, and, if you don't use it in a well ventilated area, you will be crazy. HOWEVER, I have used it in some instances where that was the only thing that will do.

The question came up the other day. Different thread about 7800. Not the same product. Different company. Not as good a product.

Ron, I must be a terrorist of some sort, because I still can't find my tube of the stuff! :eek:

[PurplePerson]

I calked my bathtub with E6000 10 years ago, and it has been the best thing I could have used. The durn thing has never leaked.

Of course I was rather high, after the first bath. But then things tamed down.

[wpfay]

Go to the liquor store and check out how they secure the bottle and glasses in those boxed gift packs they sell this time of year (am I showing my hand with my terrible familiarity with booze packaging?). They are basically using a sink mount and minimal amount of strapping to secure the bottles and glasses. These things travel quite well.
The negative space in the bottom of the wine bottle and the bowl of the glasses provide excellent ways to secure the objects.

Now, my first bottle to shadowbox. I went to my jeweler friend and used his diamond saw to cut the back 1/3 off of the bottle (Dom) and secured it with epoxy to the backing. I had been in business about a year or so.

[Manny]

Well, some VERY interesting thoughts are abounding here. I had thought of Crafter's Goop, which I have used in the past with objects, but there was still the question of how to attach the glasses, without losing the contents! Actually, I like the mylar strap or wire idea with a fancy covering, it could match the red serge. I am finding it a little difficult, however to find a deep enough moulding to mount the bottle into, (without having to use the Framica stackable). On another note, unfortunately, the bottle was empty, (the RCMP have a great time at their policeman's ball!)
Thanks to all

[Jim Svetlecic]

I recently mounted a wine bottle at a 45 degree angle using two acrylic rings I had made at a plastics shop. I mounted a wine glass on the bottom of the frame with three 1/8" offsets painted black to match the black material. I also put felt on the underside of the clip to protect the glass. I didn't want to use the boxer frame so I made some moulding out of 1 x 6 poplar. The frame also had a door on the top to drop corks into it. The piece was then shipped to Boston and actually made it intact.

[Jim Miller]

A bottle may be securely mounted by making a very shallow "sink" in the mount board -- just enough to keep it from sliding around -- and strapping it with a clear film sleeve. I suggest making the clear film sleeve as wide as the label, or whatever else provides hiding lines around the bottle.

To fasten the clear film on the back of the mount board, use 3M #889 double-sided tape, burnished thoroughly.

A wine glass might have a mount-board slot for the base to fit into, as well as a shallow sink for the bowl of the glass. To hold it, try a stem-length strap of clear film. The strap would have to span some air gap between the stem and the board, but that might not be noticeable.