Epson 2000p printer

[framer]

Has anyone seen a photo or art printer on the new Epson 2000p printer?

Wow! it looks as good as the best Giclee I've seen. Epson's claiming 200 year color life before any noticeable fading if printed on their matte watercolor paper. You can print up to 13 x 19 size and the street price of the printer is about $820.00.

Anybody got any info good or bad about ths printer before I buy one.

framer

[Jana]

How much are the ink cartridges and how long do they last?

[MerpsMom]

Amen to Jana'a comment. You may be able to buy an actual giclee by the time you pay for the ink. Anyone with better experiences with printer cartridges, please post your tips and tricks for their longevity.

[Susan May]

Personally, I don't believe that the ink will last that long. As far as I know, all computers use ink that is vegetable based. Any other kind would clog the printer. Vegetable based ink fades very fast, no matter what you do to it.
I guess I'll have to see it to believe it!

Good O'l Sue

[lise]

I tend to look at new technology nowadays as an opportunity. How can I use something like this in my business to improve the bottom line? How will you be using this printer in your business?

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Lisa Kozokowsky C.G.A.H.
Frameswest Inc.

[framer]

I've been told that the ink is pigment based. Below is what I copied off of the Epson Web site.

Printing Method, EPSON's exclusive drop-on-demand advanced Micro Piezo ink jet technology

Configuration, 6-color (CcMmYK) with separate black ink cartridge

Resolution, 1440 x 720 dpi black and color

Print Speed 3 min 40 sec on matte paper, 5 min 20 sec on semigloss paper


Ink Technology, EPSON Archival Ink with exclusive MicroCrystal Encapsulation; .1 micro-sized ink particles

Paper Type, Plain and bond(text only), EPSON Premium Semigloss Photo Paper, Archival Matte Paper, Premium Luster Photo Paper, Watercolor Paper - Radiant White, Matte Paper - Medium Weight and other custom Epson media


Lightfastness rated 200 or more years before noticable fading occurs, in normal indoor flourescent lighting, under a glass frame, when using Geniune EPSON Archival Inks and compatible EPSON matte type papers. Under the same conditions, lightfastness rated at 140 yrs when using EPSON Premium Semigloss Photo Paper and EPSON Premium Luster Photo Paper. Results will vary depending on lighting conditions, humidity, color intensity, color range and print media. Fine Mode. Additional processing time will vary based on system configuration, software application and page complexity.

framer

[MerpsMom]

You guys are more erudite than I. I'm concerned about how #%*@!! expensive the damned cartridges are. Not usually hysterical, but rip-off comes to mind.

[framer]

I am told that it costs about $1.00 - $1.50 per square foot for paper and ink.

So a 11 x 14 cost about $1 - $1.50.

13 x 19 = less then $3.00

Anyways I really want to find out if they can be drymounted and how water resistant they might be before I buy one.

Ink Cartridge Black Stylus Photo 2000 - T015201 $29.70

Ink Cartridge Color Stylus Photo 2000 - T016201 $34.20

Paper Prices

Premium Luster Photo Paper 8.5" x 11", 50 sheets S041405 $35.00

Premium Luster Photo Paper 11.7 x 16.5", 50 sheets S041406 $93.00

Premium Luster Photo Paper 13" x 19", 50 sheets S041407 $115.00

Premium Luster Photo Paper 8.3" x 32.8', 1 roll S041408 $43.00

Premium Luster Photo Paper 13" x 32.8', 1 roll S041409 $63.00

[Le]

I have the Epson stylus 1270 Photo. It looks like the 2000P without the archival ink. If I were buying today I would buy the 2000. My cost generally runs $ 1.30 to $ 1.35 a sheet in 8 1/2 x 11. If you print 8 x 10s you can go thru a color cartridge in a couple of days. the cartridges cost about $ 25 for B+W and $ 30 for color.

[Lance E]

Get a sample, put it in the sun for a day. I have tried almost thirty different "claims" of lightfastness, all great in controlled lighting tests I'm sure. Sunlight does not get reproduced in the same intensity that it really is. Of my thirty I've had one that lasted three days before it was visibly different.
Try before you buy.

[Susan May]

If the ink is truly pigment based, there should be no problem dry-mounting, or being water resistant. However, I agree with Lance, test before you buy.

Good O'l Sue

"Hi Kid!" http://www.thegrumble.com/framer/ubbs/smile.gif

[Lance E]

I was sure I knew where I left the results!!! The best combination was an Epsom printer with a Kodak paper, the model eludes me though, probably have different models #'s to you anyhow.
Hey old girl, how it going?

[Scarfinger]

200 years from now I am going to be really ticked off if my pictures have faded!!

What do you intend to print? Will these be for sale in your store?

[silentpix]

We have an Epson photo 1200 which we love except for the fact that it came out right before the archival inks. http://www.thegrumble.com/framer/ubbs/frown.gif I believe the best we can offer is 30 years with heavyweight matte paper but I'd have to check- we tell our clients when we do digital work for them that if it's for a quick thing like a presentation, our print will be fine and we give them a copy of the file on zip or cd. If it's something like the restoration of a family photo then we'll do the digital work and print it at a local lab we work with often.

We also use ours to create interesting photos to put into framed samples on our walls and in front window which spends half the day in hardcore sun. We put photos we've printed in the window so we don't have to keep replacing posters. I think the photos are on glossy photo paper and have lasted 2 months so far with slight fading. The image quality is remarkable and there has been only one bummer- the printer does blow through ink rather quickly, especially when recalibrating your monitor to your printer. No matter how well we think they're synched, we usually have to do a small (5x7) test before printing a large (11x14) photo.

Kara

[ajhohen]

What about a Hewlett Packard LaserJet Color printer? They are quite expensive ($1800.00 and up), but are a lot less expensive in the long run on ink. I don't have one, but a friend of mine does and he told me it costs him about 65 cents to $1.00 per square foot for paper and ink. He said per sheet for an 11 x 14" it costs about 85 cents. If you are really looking to save money in the long run ask a dealer about HP LaserJet Color printers. The ink cartriges are a lot more expensive, but it goes a lot further and is of MUCH, MUCH higher quality printing. ajh

[ArtLady]

Since Laser printer inks are wax based, I believe they are more fugitive.

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Timberwoman
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I cut the mat, I pet the =^..^= cat.

[JOHNG]

Framer,

I just bought the epson 1270 it is a godsend, quiet and can handle paper up to 13 inches wide. On Matt paper the ink is supposed to last 25 years, and 10 on Epson Premium Glossy Photo paper I printed a photo at 600 dpi and the dots were invisivble you would have needed a loop to see them quality is excellent, My friend also has one and he printed 25 8x10" photos before having to change the inke cartridges. Epson has done a supperb job of it, and from what I hear the 2000 is just the same printer with diffrent ink.

John

[artist]

Epson guys- type in "orange shift" in a search engine to learn about Epson inks and papers. Your welcome.

[po' framer]

Hey, thanks, artist! I typed that in and up onto my screen jumped Sharon Stone with this simple little dress on or somethin........ I knew she looked pretty good in white, but... well anyway. Got any more?

[LTownsend]

Artist - What about their welcome?

[lise]

Just out of curiosity, what are all you framers doing with these expensive printers? Unless you are a digital print shop or sell photographic equipment, what do you possibly need that kind of printer for?
Please educate me.
P.S. And what the heck does a "fugitive" ink mean? It sounds like something from a Stephen King novel...scary!

[This message has been edited by lise (edited December 24, 2000).]

[framer]

I started out my career as a professional photographer. I migrated to framing in the early 70's. Because my background in commercial photography and just starting out my framing shop I'm looking at ways to expand my business into an area that I'm fond of. I considering doing digital photo restorations, a custom B&W lab, and a fine photography gallery. I'm going to think about it over my vacation starting the first of the year.

[silentpix]

My partner and I both went to Brooks Institute of Photography and figure we should at least use a little of our education. We do digital photo restoration from time to time and more often will do flat art copy to photograph artists' work and give them slides, or put it on zip or cd. It helps them out in that they don't have to go two different places, one to photograph their artwork and another to frame it. If they want we can take the slides, scan them and create a one-sheet for them which we print on our epson. Since a lot of our work comes from local artists, this has helped us out because one artist will talk about us to another artist that they're having a show with, the people who purchase their work come back to us, it has been a great help in getting new and repeat business.

Kara

[framer]

Got this puppy for Xmas. WOW! WOW!

The photo's drymounted fine. I even use a Krylon mat spray one without a hitch.

You can also drymount without release paper on the photo. The inks seems very stable under heat.

I hope it's the same in a couple of days.

Next I'm going to try and fade one in my window.

[framer]

This morning I put five big drops of water on a photo from this printer and blotted up the drops on four and rubbed one. On the four I blotted, no ink ran and when dried with a hair dryer left no stain, mark or color shift, also once dried you could rub over the spot and it did not effect the photo. The water drops were on the photo 10 - 30 seconds before they were blotted. On the 5th on I tried rubbing it wet and the paper coating under the ink rubbed off the paper.

framer

[artist]

O.K. framer, now thw obvious question. What do you charge for computer time. We tried a couple of years ago to introduce photo manipulatoin and enhancemrnt , but our locals would not pay . We charged $40.00 for a complete image work over and it didn,t work because they thought it was cheaper at Walmart!

[framer]

Artist, still working on details to see what I can offer using this printer.

I just printed a mat design out on Epsons Archival Matte Paper and drymounted it to Risings warm white 4 ply rag using Lamin-All.

I then cut an opening through it and could not tell that it was mounted on the bevel cut. It cut nice. I then reverse beveled it and installed a fillet.

The size limitations is 13 x 19, this does give me some interesting ideas.


framer

[Lance E]

Offering a restoration service is not picture framing, be aware that you are entering a totally different market, do the appropriate research and find out if you will be able to satisfy the needs of this market.
Once you get in to the graphics business you will need a good partnership with others in the same line so as to offer a larger range of products, LED silver halide printers are fast becoming an industry minimum, printing on these is far more consistent and stable, regardless of the actual facts this will be the consumers opinion because of the "good" history of the chemical process.
As for charges you will have to the research to establish a base from which to work.
Also consider what media types you will use (other than prints), it is now normal to be able to read and write to 10 different types of disks, do you have a machine that can take 10 different peripherals? What will happen when a customer comes in to print a 300 meg file? Will you need a RIP to process print jobs? My point is that this is a HUGH market on its own.