How many grumblers do you think we really are?

[Whynot]

There is a clear distinction between a registred grumbler and an active one. Let's call an active grumbler one that visits the forum (with or without posting) at least once every ten days. How many active grumblers do you think they are:

[RozR]

And who might know the correct answer!?!

[rosetl]

Framer knows the answer. He posted some statistical info a couple months ago, but, darn, I don't recall the keywords to search for it.

[Ted]

If we are, in fact, over 2000 Grumblers, yet only about 100 or so participate...what does that tell us about this forum?

Just a thinking question that's all?

Ted

[Ron Eggers]

If you spend a lot of time on The Grumble - especially on Warped - you start to imagine that you actually know some of the Grumblers personally. Real or imagined, that connection makes you want to come back often and stay a while and see what they're up to. If you never make that connection, I think you tend to visit mostly when you have a specific question or concern.

In my opinion, the social aspect of TG that annoys some visitors so much is exactly what makes it so much stronger than any other forum in our industry.

[Whynot]

Ted,
Counting over 2,000 grumblers is "wishfullish". The number of over 2,000 applies to how many framers have ever applied and been accepted to post on TG since its inception to date. Now, if one wants to think that all those grumblers are still around and listening to us, I have nothing against him.
In some two years since I've been around, I noticed 3-4 completely new grumbler generations replacing the old ones. There is only a fistful of grumblers who lasted longer than me and you can call them the key corners of the establishment because they are here from the beginning and yet in need to grumble.
Ron is right. Those who become addicted to The Grumbler have deeper emotional problems and needs than learning or teaching others how to cut and joint a frame.

[MerpsMom]

Not to be picayune, but leaving AC's last comment at rest is not possible. While this board is many things to many people, and agreeing it has changed, leaping to a conclusion that Grumblers have emotional problems and needs if they visit often is a stretch of Gargantuan size.

[Lance E]

Despite Cornels inappropriate comments this is still an interesting topic, the results from this poll (http://thegrumble.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000013) may be of interest.
BTW I have personlly meet more than ten regular visitors to this site from local my area, not a one of them has posted to this poll, despite having made an option for them to.

[Emibub]

Originally posted by American Choice:
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Ron is right. Those who become addicted to The Grumbler have deeper emotional problems and needs than learning or teaching others how to cut and joint a frame.I am in such a mood this weekend, reading this just made my day, it cracked me up. Now I know why I'm here. Everytime I read a post I'm going to be checking the years the Grumbler joined just to see how disturbed they really are! tongue.gif

[Framerguy]

Ahhh, Cornel, you are STILL the same congenial agreeable ol' coot that I remember from the FH days!! :D

I like to think of myself as one of the Grumblers who is truly warped, rather unstable, fairly knowledgeable about my trade, willing to still learn more as the days move on, and ALWAYS ready to stand up and !GRUMBLE! for what I believe is true, marginally accurate, or just downright "rabbley"!

Definition of "rabbley" for those who don't have a Funk & Wagnals handy: adj., that which is or pertains to anything that is said or printed that doesn't fit the order of things as viewed by another. The opinion of any framer that does not come out of a printed text, manual, or brochure that any other framer can pick apart and attempt to disorganize into a chaotic "frankenthread". Also, used to refer to the disturbed emotional condition that many framers become susceptible to when reading posts from other framers after having a particularly bad day in the frame shop.

To this end, I feel that you fit right in with some of us who also visit this forum on a daily basis and have no fears of throwing our thoughts around willy-nilly in hopes that somebody will take issue with them and toss THEIR "rabbley" thoughts into the foray. tongue.gif

(Now that I have completely "frankenthreaded" this post into a "warped" response, I think I will go and have my vicious guard dog take me for a walk!)

BTW, none of this thread is meant to have any bearing or make any sense to anyone else but me so, Cornel, you can rest easy knowing that I meant absolutely nothing but humor with all of this.

Yugremarf

[Whynot]

Framerguy, it takes one to know one! Did I say that I was different from the other Grumblers? smile.gif
Coincidently enough, many of my lines were written with you in mind. You had erupted in TG about the same time with Ron and, at one point, you both were extremely prolific. Then, suddenly your input diminished visibly and this is what I call a get away symptom. You may or may not agree with me for now. Send me an e-mail one year from now and then we'll check our respective positions, will you? Beer is always on the house!

[Ron Eggers]

Cornel,

If your point is that Grumblers come and go continuously, you won't get an argument from me. A trip through the archives will confirm that the mix changes, though there are some who have been here from the start. And to say that The Grumble satisfies an emotional need should be obvious as well. Very few of us are here because it's good for business (though I think it can be.)

Many have, and will, take exception to your remark about emotional problems among regular visitors, but I have freely admitted that I tend to be shy, sometimes nearly reclusive, in the "real world," so I'm not offended by your assertion (though, perhaps, less happy about having it attributed to me.) The Grumble would, I think, be a fertile test sight for a psychological doctoral study.

Regarding Framerguy's recent diminished posting volume, compulsive and emotionally disturbed Grumblers like me know that he has been distracted by a mission to relocate his business. Don't look for Framerguy to disappear any time soon. Like me, he has found a home and friends here.

[Ted]

I guess what I was trying to say is that since I joined the Grumble in February, I have noticed little change to the "main" grumblers who contribute on a regular basis. There have been some who jump in and contribute a lot, but they are far and few in between.

I, myself, visit the Grumble every day. I contribute when I feel the urge, but I doubt that I will ever reach 1000 posts or more. Sometimes I feel a little intimidated and not part of "the group". If I feel this way at 120 plus posts, could it be that many who join up never feel comfortable enough to participate as the regular few do?

Again....just a thinking question.

Ted

[Curly Grumble]

"Those who become addicted to The Grumbler have deeper emotional problems and needs than learning or teaching others how to cut and joint a frame."

Who me?

[Less]

There's only two...
Ron & Charles with Schizophrenia.
Framer is some higher power keeping those two from falling off the Grumble's edge.
The Grumble is flat? Isn’t it?

[Wise Reflections Framery]

And now there is at least one more tongue.gif .

[CharlesL]

Less, I DO NOT have schizophrenia, and neither do I!

[ERIC]

Does the number of un-registered users factor in? I can't possibly imagine that there are less than 2,000 'regular's' if you include these people.

What if you include all unregistered viewers that visit once every ten days, the number of 'lurk & learn' grumblers has to be large. The many stories of people bringing up the subject of this site in conversation atest to that.

I think there is a soap-opera factor here. How many people watch just to see what happens next!