Lieberman's Gallery art online program

[Judge Roy Bean]

Has anybody had any experience with Lieberman's making a website for them?

[j Paul]

Nice Day, looks like that answer must be no! I talked to them at the Vegas show and it was a little confusing but it seemed way expensive. Seems like their monthly fee to have a website and sell their art via it had a monthly fee of something like $950.00. Now I may be way wrong but that is what I understood the girl at the booth to say. Have to sell a lot of prints to do that.

[Maryann]

Click on the banner for Lieberman's at the bottom of the page to see what the special offer is for Grumblers.

Does it work for anyone else?

Sorry, to frankenthread.............

[Judge Roy Bean]

When I click onto their ad I gat a "page cannot be diplayed" message.

I am in the middle of working on the web page with them now. After I talk to them on Monday I will give you the story.

I just wanted to know if any one else has dealt with them. Did they think they were professional or sloppy?

[Doug Gemmell]

I've looked into it but it IS too expensive:

$950.00 Set up website and merchant account
$140.00 per month
2 1/2% of sales
$.030 per transaction

Yikes :eek:

And I couldn't get anything when I click on their banner either.

Great company though. I like dealing with them.

[UzZx32QU]

I will look into the banner link. They must have changed it and I was not informed.

Framer

[Sherry Lee]

I haven't looked into this, but heard about it via Lieberman's. I GUESSED that Lieberman's was wanting to put a link on my web site - lookers would click on it, order what they want and voila! Lieberman's some how gets their money and so do "us framers" with web sites. Done! FREE to me because Lieberman's would be getting business from it while using our web sites.

Now, that makes TOTAL sense to me!

What's with all these blankety-blank fees? Is that for folks whom do NOT have web sites?

Maybe I live in a dream world, but in this case, I rather like it! graemlins/icon21.gif

[Doug Gemmell]

The program I was looking into would enable customers to order from my web site. No where would Liebermans name appear, not on my web site and not even on the shipping labels. Lieberman's would ship to the customer with my return address on the label.

I think the main cost is setting up and maintaining the "merchant account" which is the processing of the shopping cart type system.

Your world sounds better Sherry and they may have a program like you mention but I'm not aware of it.

Perhaps one of the nice folks at Lieberman's will come on the grumble and clarify.

[DavidnNC]

$950.00 for a web site?? Geezus... You can get one from Yahoo small business complete with cart for less than 50.00 per month...They give you the soft ware to set it up...It's simple...even I could do it.. It's a WYSIWYG .. good instruction..easy to do...If you guys can frame you can build a site. www.philannsflorist.com (http://www.philannsflorist.com) check it out. I did it and I'm an old man lol..with no training. Now...I'm a newbie here..gonna open a store front frame shop 1st of September. Been doing wood working all my life ,as a hobby..and framing for friends and family. The store front next door to my flowershop is coming open then. So just thought I would try to get paid for what I love to do. The wife will keep runing the flowershop..we have a great crew..lol..they don't need me anymore..There will be door between the 2 business..Right now just trying to figure what kind of software....tools..and inventory I will need. AND who are the best suppliers.

[DTWDSM]

Sherry, as far as I have seen and heard from Liebermans, You my friend, are indeed in a dream world. smile.gif

Something like what you are talking about is an affiliate program like Art.com, artinaclick.com, and postercheckout.com. Liebermans does not sell to the public so they do not offer an affiliate program.

I have looked into the Liebermans idea and in order to make a small profit you would have to sell around 200 prints at an average retail of $30.00 the first year. It looks to be a good product if you promote your site and people buy from it. You can also add your own products like local artists and non paper art items if you would like.

[wally pasbrig]

When I talked to them in Las Vegas, there were two programs. The one mentioned here, that was very expensive and another if you just downloaded the data files and then worked them into your website. Alot less in cost, but you would have to know your way around the computer and programming.

Wally

[Sherry Lee]

I realize Lieberman's doesn't sell to the public. But we do graemlins/thumbsup.gif

SO......(ok, this comes from a NON computer guru), Lieberman's provides a little icon (link) onto my web site. I don't charge Lieberman's ANY rent! ;)

Mr. J.Q. Public in Idaho is bored to death in 10 feet of snow and scouts around on his computer. He finds www.sdistudio.com (http://www.sdistudio.com) and says, "WOW! What's this icon to find art prints?" - clicks on it, and all the prints/posters are in front of him. He puts 3 choices into his 'basket' which (some how) goes into my Pay Pal system at retail cost + shipping + ?tax. At this point, either I can order it from Lieberman's OR when the customer has placed the order, Lieberman's automatically gets it and mails it to the customer and bills me.

It seems to me it's just a matter of taking their existing web site system, adding a little billing program and VOILA! Why not make the most of something they already have!

I know, it's Sherry's Dream World - but I can only tell you, I believe a LOT has come from dreams!! GO MR. LIEBERMAN!!

[bruce a lieberman]

Grumblers:

My father used to tell us a little fable about some self-promoting guy who said: “I don’t care whether the newspaper says something good or something bad about me as long as they spell my name right.”

We at Lieberman’s definitely do not think like that guy.

While I think the Grumble forum is one of the greatest things going in the industry today, I have to quote another old saying, with a new twist, instead: “Don’t believe everything you read in the forums.”

I thank some of you who have clarified what Lieberman’s internet products do and do not do, and in what ways they can be worthwhile.

Yet, within the thread, I find so many misunderstandings, flatly wrong or enthusiastically stated but completely imaginary statements (“I haven’t looked into this but I guess…” etc) that I have to speak up.

Lieberman’s has worked hard to come up with services and tools enabling an art retailer to function in today’s environment, as we always have. We try to do this care and integrity, while still moving in the direction of making a living. We try to improve on them as time goes on.

Also, let it be said one more time, Lieberman’s has absolutely avoided any direct retail selling ourselves. We are still a provider to retailers, period – and we do not collect money for them.

I think the best approach is for me not to try to correct all the misunderstandings, hearsay, and false or imaginary statements. Instead, I urge you to keep in mind that services and tools for today’s environment means technology. Technology is complex and alien to most of us laymen. It takes patient attention to understand what a particular tool does – and the better and more sophisticated the tool, the more attention required.

This is why we provide INDIVIDUAL LIVE PERSON-TO-PERSON CONSULTATIONS to explain our services, make sure you understand them, and choose the one that’s right for you -- if any.

We have always felt that your forum is not a place for us to spout marketing messages. Yet, here we are confronted with a bunch of misleading information about our products, as well as statements of our pricing (often equally wrong). Consider if a client or potential client went around your town dispensing specific information about your products, services and pricing – and was ill-informed at best.

We are certainly interested in providing our internet-oriented services to you. If you want general information beyond the basics that appear on our website or in our mailed materials, or have specific questions about these materials – or even about our business practices in relation to them – please pick up the phone or send us an e-mail and get your information right from us – this thread shows that if you don’t speak with us directly or refer to materials issued by us, you are at high risk on not getting good information.

I hope that call by call and e-mail by e-mail, we can clarify every issue raised and many more – with the careful communication these kinds of services require.

Thanks for listening

[DTWDSM]

Well said Bruce, this is not the place to sell a product that could be confusing to some.

As I said before it looks to be a good product but the success depends on how the individual gallery/shop promotes it.

[Bob Carter]

I know a lot of people in this industry at every level. I can say enthusiastically that none are any more honest and ethical than the Bros. Lieberman

Without divulging anything particular, i have counciled them to find direct-to-consumer options in several venues and they have steadfastedly refused

They are honest brokers; often at the point of them tiring of my council, I fear.

I admire their ethics and have looked at this very program. Now that we have an internet program, we will revisit it.

Without any elaboration, this vehicle is reminiscent of Art.Com

[bruce a lieberman]

Thanks Bob & Tim for your comments.

Re Bob's "reminiscent of Art.com," let me clarify that he means it makes YOU THE RETAILER reminiscent of Art.com, not Lieberman's

BL

[Bob Carter]

You are welcome, Bruce.

I should have clarified that point in that Art.Com started out as a Fullfillment operation

Sometimes it really comes down to vision and the ability to distinguish between 20 reasons of why it "won't work" to 20 reasons of "How can I make it work?"

[Doug Gemmell]

Originally posted by Doug Gemmell:
I've looked into it but it IS too expensive:

$950.00 Set up website and merchant account
$140.00 per month
2 1/2% of sales
$.030 per transaction

Yikes :eek:

And I couldn't get anything when I click on their banner either.

Great company though. I like dealing with them. Mr. Lieberman,

Perhaps I should have said "It is too expensive for me".

Was there something in the figures that I quoted above that is incorrect? This was the information I was given by your company. If the prices have changed please have your representative contact me again and we could probably work something out.

It is a great idea and I would like to do it if I could make it work financially.